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Did I miss something? (Bogart's small monologue at the end) - spoilers


Okay, I dug the film. But I guess I completely missed the ending. Bogart sits in his chair spinning those metal ball bearings and says his little monologue.

It wasn't a large monologue... nothing Shakespearean or overly contrite like something written today would be... and I re-read what he said on the IMDb quotes page...

and I still don't get it: How did they win the court's favor? Was Bogart's monologue proof that he was nuts?! I missed that, I don't see that at all. He was rambling, sure. But it wasn't stunning proof. I didn't even think the court session was over. But no one in the film moved, and all you heard were the ball bearings rubbing against each other.

Someone help me? I feel like an idiot since obviously everyone else sees something I didn't.



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Well, the way I took it, Bogart's sanity was slowly unraveling during that little speech. He starts out calm, then gradually gets more and more agitated. Once he goes too far, he catches himself... that's when he tells them to ask him specific questions about any particular incident. Brilliant bit of acting there, I'd have to say.







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I agree. I think one may have to watch it a few times to see the subtle nuances of that scene and what a truly great actor Bogart was. He goes to pieces right in front of us in that one take and is a completely different man at the monologue's conclusion.

I do see what the original poster is asking though. Did they acquit Merrik on the basis of that speech alone? Probably not. But, I think you have to project what the audience sees (subtly) in that closeup out to the courtroom onlookers to indicate that is where the trial takes a turn. And let's not forget out friends: dramatic license and suspension of disbelief. We also don't see what happens after that monologue.

GREAT job of acting from the great Humphrie Bogart here.

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As we say in the business, he was acting crazier than a $hithouse Rat.

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what business?!? Extermination or janitorial services?!?

the dudebert abides

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It should be kept in mind that Queeg's monologue at the end was a condensed version of a longer speech he gives in the novel. The acquital, says Wouk in the novel, was based partially on Queeg's monologue, partially on Barney Greenwald's closing arguments (paraphrased in the novel and not included at all in the film), and Greenwald's demolition through cross-examination of a second psychiatrist in the novel, not included in the film. While the film version of The Caine Mutiny is probably as good an adaptation of Wouk's novel as the limits of film permit, the novel is nonetheless far longer, more detailed, and more nuanced.

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In the novel, his speech is actually paraphrased.

It's described as going on for about nine or ten minutes and is a list of all his self-justifications, combined with accusations against his officers (especially Keith and Maryk) that took place during the year he helmed the Caine.

As he goes on, his narrative becomes more and more disjointed and he skips from one point to the other and then back again. He seems completely unable to stop as he lets loose with his grievances.

As well, in the book, Willie and Maryk each give testimony that affects the outcome. Willie testifies that his prime reason for his hatred of Queeg was cowardnice under fire. He then describes the incident and Kwajelein that got Queeg his "Old Yellowstain" nickname and a later incident where Queeg ran from a shore battery at Saipan. Supposedly that's the first time that the Court begins to be receptive to the defence arguments. Maryk, on his part, gives a clear and honest testimony about the events. When he makes minor errors in recollections he admits them readily. It's a clear contrast to Queeg's later testimony.

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When O.J. Simpson took the stand in his wrongful death suit, he got hit with barrage after barrage of questions about the Brown-Simpson/Goldman murders, and stuck to his story the whole time. From what I heard about it, he never wavered from his alibis, but he also successfully painted himself as someone who always thinks he's the victim and he looked absolutely terrible for it. His testimony even seemed to border on paranoia.

Captain Queeg's testimony had a similar effect: it seemed to prove he was erratic and paranoid even as he was trying desperately to prove he wasn't. He was blind to the fact he was proving the prosecution's case about his judgment and mental state, because they weren't just listening to his words, they were studying his behavior. I always thought the metal ball bearings were an effort by the screenwriters to drive this point home.

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The book version is much longer, and more clearly shows that he did indeed have some serious problems. At one point he talks about how he'd cut off water to inculcate the crew with the "simplest forms of water conservation" because they were "taking baths seven times a day and our evaps were on the fritz half the time". Obviously, no one believed for a second that his crew was bathing seven times a day. This kind of ranting (which went on, uninterrupted, for a good 10 minutes) is what saved Maryk and Keith and won the case for Greenwald. Queeg snapped under the pressure of the cross-examination, proving Greenwalds assertion that the pressures of command could disable a man diagnosed with only slight mental incapacities.

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. . . well, he was in combat---some feel that's what got him, shall we say, a bit off the wall . . . it wasn't just being in command . . .

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No, it wasn't being in combat so much as being in command, in combat. As Keefer later found out and described to Willie, command of a ship was a job where one minor error, on the Captain's part, could kill everyone on board. That was the stress that did Queeg in.

In a subordinate position, Queeg wasn't under as much stress since he knew that the final responsibility wasn't his. Willie -in the book- noted in his testimony that Queeg seemed much more calm andrelaxed after Maryk relieved him. Willie thought it was because he knew he no longer felt the mortal responsibility of commanding the ship.

Greenwald argued that Queeg's condition was well compensated for under normal conditions but could be debilitating under extreme pressure. (Captain Blakely, the Court Martial's President even asked one of the doctors if a temporary collapse could be possible under extreme pressure. The doctor admitted it was possible.)

Queeg's rant (which was much more dramatic in the book) proved that Queeg's judgement and temperment could become compromised under stress.

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Toronto---

yes, granted . . . though, of course, the combat experiences mitigated his condition (unless there was something going on previously) . . . yet, the Navy still felt he had executive experience and assigned him to the tin-bucket Caine . . . manpower needs, and, afterward, sent out to pasture . . .

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Many factors correctly mentioned, above

The one tiny little item which supports the entire novel still remains

Kieth believed DeVries did not merit his support

Queeg's first, simple, sensible direct order about uniforms wasn't supported by either Keefer as OOD, Keith as Morale Officer, nor any of the crew

The towed target was literally cut from its support

Queeg was denied the help and support of his wardroom thanks to Keefer's sabotage and ridicule, which itself was reinforced by Meryk's support of Keefer's dime-store psychoanalysis

Even Meryk, Queeg's XO, did not have, ultimately, the support of Keefer and Kieth

Kieth did not have his mother's support of his relationship with May

Greenwald's soliloquy merely pointed out the uselessness of Queeg's wardroom

Countless other images throughout; Keith's first hat was sacrificed in 'support', the Caine's mission to support a landing, but, most of all, the Navy's support of Queeg's report of the towline breaking, all point to the impossibility of doing any job without, at least, tacit approval, cooperation and support...all of which was denied Queeg

A powerful treatise on duty...and how little it resembles a popularity contest

Keefer's admission he's 'too smart to be brave' on the carrier, his pusillanimous evasions during his testimony and Keith's promise to 'back up' Harding when he wouldn't do anything similar for Queeg...even when Queeg asked for help and support...elevated my gorge



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In the book, Keith really didn't serve under DeVriess long enough to have really understood the relationship between captain and subordinate officers. Willie is on the ship for about a week -and the first four days are spent undergoing maintenance at Pearl- before Queeg arrives aboard. Willie doesn't think much of DeVriess because the ship is messy and the captain appears to be a tyrant. Later though, after a couple of months under Queeg, Willie describes conditions on the ship to May. She asks if all captains are like Queeg. Willie says no, the previous captain was a grand guy and highly capable. Willie then smiles to himself as he realizes the change of heart he's had about DeVriess after seeing a truly harsh and incompetent captain handle the ship.

Willie, I'm sure, would have been 100% behind DeVriess once he'd gotten past his own immaturity that plagued him his first few days on board.

In the book and film, the officers support Queeg's order about uniforms. In the book, it's described that the crew follows the directive for the simple reason that the Caine was pulling duty at Pearl Harbor, where they had all the enjoyments of Honolulu when in port. Thus, they didn't want to lose any priviledges or get restricted over a minor thing like a shirttail.

In the film, Willie and Keefer do impose the shirttail rule, but one man simply ignores it. What they found wrong with Queeg's behaviour was his fixation on that, while ignoring the navigation of the ship.

The book shows that the wardroom's disloyalty to Queeg wasn't so much Keefer's doing, but mainly a reaction to Queeg himself. They saw that he could be petty, unfair and vindictive. As well, he'd proven himself to be a coward under fire. This is what really loses the support of the wardroom. In the book, Queeg doesn't make any speech after the Kwajelein invasion (where he got the Old Yellowstain nickname) to the officers. In the book, Willie, Maryk, Keefer and Harding are talking after dinner. Keefer thinks that Queeg ran from the beach and he asks Willie if he ever saw Queeg stand on the side of the bridge nearer the beach all day. Willie is horrified but realizes that Queeg had been doing something like that. Queeg then comes in and has a cup of coffee. Nobody says anything for ten minutes. Queeg then says that he wants to see the officer qualification assignments from one of the newer ensigns, which is overdue, and Keefer isn't to go to bed until he has it. He then leaves, leaving the officers to wonder about how he's so concerned with paperwork on the day of an invasion. Willie and Harding are eventually left alone. Harding asks Willie if Queeg did indeed stay on the sheltered side of the bridge. Willie says he's not sure...but it's entirely possible. Harding gets upset at that. He says that he's worried about what would happen in the ship was to get into trouble and that the previous month, Queeg had sent for him at 1:00am to get an audit of the ship's service accounts.

"What happens if this ship gets into a jam?" Harding's lips were tight in vexation and fear. "The purpose of a captain is to get us out of jams, Willie, not to check off due dates on reports and assignments. Christ, this ship's service audit is ludicrous! I'm a graduate CPA. I've done audits for Onondage Carbide. Christ knows what my boss would say if he saw me in that canteen counting Oh Henry bars and tubes of toothpaste!...Well, all that doesn't matter, see? I volunteered for the Navy, and I'm on the Caine, and if it helps the Caine for a professional CPA to audit the nickel-and-dime ship's services, why, I'll audit it. But, in return the Navy is supposed to give me a ship that goes and a captain that fights -----That's what all this muck is for, isn't it?" This direct quote sums up the officer's feelings. They would be willing to put up with Queeg's eccentricities and harshness if they had confidence he could handle the ship in a crisis and handle combat. Due to Queeg's actions, they lost this confidence. This made them less willing to put up with his various edicts and temperments.

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I'll add to your post that Willie Keith changes his mind about Captain De Vriess BEFORE Queeg becomes captain of the Caine.

One evening Willie goes on board the USS Moulton (a DMS like the Caine) to see Ensign Keggs, an old classmate of his from the Naval Academy and encounters the captain of the Moulton, 'Iron Duke' Sammis, who is a real martinet. Willie notices the sudden change in Keggs's manner with the appearance of the captain and notices how all the ship's officers are terrified of the captain and quake in their boots in his prescence. A horrified Willie asks Keggs how he can cope with that guy and an astonished Keggs replies, 'Isn't your captain like that?'

Willie then realises that De Vriess isn't that bad and thanks his lucky stars that he is not on Sammis's ship!!!!


I'll also add that the Navy DID NOT back Queeg's report for the breaking of the towline nor accept his explanation as to why the target was not recovered. Queeg was ordered to appear in person to be interviewed by Captain Grace who had grave doubts about his capability and whether he had the right aptitude to be in charge of a ship. Grace gave him the opportunity to come clean and admit that he had not recovered the target because he had no idea how to do so. Queeg remained stubborn and refused to admit that he had done anything wrong.

Despite his fears Grace did not take disciplinary action against Queeg but gave him the benefit of the doubt hoping that he would learn and improve with experience and become a competent captain.

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The scene with Captain Grace shows the root of Queeg's problem. It wasn't so much that he made mistakes. It was the fact that he refused to admit to them or that he had done anything wrong.

In his first two weeks on Caine, not only had they cut the towline, but they had run aground when getting underway (it was the first time Queeg tried getting the ship underway). Instead of sending in a grounding report, as the regulations required, Queeg, instead, gets a harbour tug to pull the ship out and goes on his way. Later, he's ordered to send one in and simply submits one full of doubletalk.

Grace points out that running aground can happen to anyone. What upset him and the Admiral was the fact that Queeg tried to dodge a report then sent on in that was a "phoney gun-deck job". Likewise, it was Queeg's behaviour when the towline was cut that caused the Admiral to blow up. (When the towline was cut, Queeg's officers tried to get him to retrieve it. Instead he radioed a request for instructions. On being ordered to use his own judgement, he opted to head for port, despite the strong suggestions of Maryk and Gorton -the previous XO. Queeg's written report blamed the helmsman and his officers).

Captain Grace says that ships lose targets all the time. He says that retrieving one takes about a half-hour and is a simple procedure. What upset him was that Queeg couldn't make a common-sense decision that a Seaman 2nd Class could make. Grace then goes on to say that when HE was new to his first command, he didn't want to make any mistakes. However, he did make them, paid for them and learned from them. That was how he grew into a competent officer. He then says that the rest of the interview is off the record. He then says:

"Let's be frank with each other . Commander Queeg, for the sake of your ship and, if I may say so, your future career. Forget this is an official interview. From here on in everything is off the record."

Queeg's head was sinking down between his shoulders and he regarded Grace warily from under his eyebrows.

"Between you and me," Grace said, "you didn't try to retrieve the target because you didn't know what to do in the situation. Isn't that the truth?"

Queeg took a long, leisurely puff at his cigarette.

"If that's the case man," said Grace in a fatherly way, "for Christ's sake say so and let's both put this incident behind us. On that basis I can understand it and forget it. It was a mistake due to anxiety and inexperience. But there's no man in the Navy who's never made a mistake..."

Queeg shook his head decisively, reached forward, and crushed out his cigarette. "No, Captain, I assure you I appreciate what you say, but I am not so stupid as to lie to a superior officer, and I assure you my first version of what happened is correct and I do not believe I have made any mistake as yet in commanding the Caine nor do I intend to, and, as I say, finding the calibre of my officers and crew to be what it is, I am simply going to get seven times as tough as usual and bear down seven times as hard until the ship is up to snuff which I promise you will be soon."


Grace then asks if Queeg steamed across his own towline. Queeg denies it. Grace says that the Admiral heard the rumour floating around and wanted to find out about it, in view of Queeg's other problems.

Grace even tells Queeg he could arrange for Queeg to be transferred to a State-side assignment, with no bad reflection on him. Queeg says he wonders what that would look like on his record -relieved of his first command after only a month. Grace says that he'd guarantee a fitness report that would relieve all doubt. He goes on to say that doing so would correct an erronous assignment, since -among other things- Queeg is very senior for a DMS like the Caine. The squadron is filling up with CO's who are reserve lieutenant-commanders and even lieutenants.

Later, with the Admiral, Captain Grace says he thinks Queeg is one of those officers who can never admit to an error...even when it's glaringly obvious they've made a mistake.

"What's your impression of this Queeg? That's the main thing."

Grace drummed on the desk softly with his fingers for a moment. "An old lady, I'm afraid, sir. I think he's earnest enough and probably pretty tough, but he's one of those that are never wrong, no matter how wrong they are -always some damn argument to defend himself, you know -and I don't think he's very bright. One of the low men in his class. I've been checking around."

"How about the towline? What's the story? Did he cut it or didn't he?"

Grace shook his head dubiously. "Well, it's one of those things. He got terribly offended when I asked about it -seemed sincere enough. I more or less had to take his word that it didn't happen. You'd have to run a court of inquiry to get at the definite facts, sir, and I don't know..."

"Hell, we can't go tracking down scuttlebutt with courts of inquiry. But I don't like the cut of the man's jib, Grace. Too many questionable occurrances too fast. Do you think I ought to recommend to the Bureau that he be relieved?"

"No sir," said Grace promptly. "In all fairness to the man, he's done nothing that we know of definitely to warrant that. Overtension in his first command could account for everything that's happened so far."


So, in the book, it's clear that if Queeg HAD been willing to admit to his mistakes -either to superiors or his subordinates- his command of the ship would likely have been far, far smoother. It was Queeg's refusal to admit to any errors that really started the chain of events that led to the relief during the typhoon.

In the film, the problem is that Bogart is simply way too old for the part. In the book, Queeg is supposed to be around 30 years old, or so. (Queeg graduated from the Naval Academy in 1936, and takes command of the Caine in 1943. So, he would be around 29 or 30 during his time on the Caine.) Thus Queeg was inexperienced as a commanding officer and found himself suffering badly in a job he likely didn't want and -deep down- knew he wasn't cut out for. During his time in command, he reacts anxiously whenever dispatches arrive from the Bureau of Personnel (i.e. orders for reassignment). His worst moods come when orders come for other officers. He haunts the radio shack as the one-year anniversary of his arrival on the ship nears, as few captains hold their posts longer than a year. He never comes to his officers and asks for their help. Instead, after Kwajelein he declares a state of hostility exists between him and his officers. Instead, the film makes it look like Queeg is a tired old seadog who has simply been worn down by long combat service and is rejected when he turns to his officers for help. In the book, he never turns to them for help, since he never admits making any mistakes.

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Yes, his rant showed the court he was cracked. Don't worry. My wife has to explain movies to me because I get confused about what's going on and doing what to whom.

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I love that brief shot of E.G. Marshall after Bogey unravels that shows the case is lost.

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I love that brief shot of E.G. Marshall after Bogey unravels that shows the case is lost.
yeah, the shot of marshall was great. he was alternately confused and revolted.

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Queeg reduced the court proceedings to a single point, where the only thing of relevance he had to say was, "I can sit upright and roll balls at the same time." He showed the court he did not comprehend his situation, was incapable of taking care of himself, let alone, a ship at sea. As in the earlier wardroom scene, his was a cry for help.

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Bogart goes nuts right in front of us. The looks on the faces of E.G. Marshall and the Judge were priceless. I had no problem in thinking that was all the case needed to show Bogart was paranoid.

To say that was great acting by Bogart is indeed an understatement.

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So many great analysis ...

... my guess is that as soon as he said "Ahh, but the strawberries! That's, that where I had them", the game was over. I mean, it's a military court and he's talking about goddamn' fruits, what else could be taken seriously after that?

This is why that single line is the most remembered from the film, it was the most pivotal moment, when Queeg broke the point of no return.

"Darth Vader is scary and I The Godfather"

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82,

Nothing to add to your post. You've hit the nail on the head.

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Important to bear in mind, I think, that Maryk and Keith are the ones on trial, not Queeg himself; therefore it is only necessary for Greenwald to prove the naval court's equivalent of 'reasonable doubt'. The entire court is prejudiced in favour of Queeg, especially in view of the psychiatrist's evidence that paranoia is not necessarily a debilitating illness; therefore when they are told about the previous lapses, and listen to his repeated assertions that every other officer is incompetent and disloyal, that doubt is established.

"Duck, I says..."

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