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The romance scenes and dialogue are some of the worst filmwriting ever



I found it dumbfounding how awful and indeed meaningless and senseless the romance dialogue was in this film. None of the lines made any sense by themselves, and none of the replies to the lines made any sense either.

WTF?

I'm not saying that there should have been a better romance plot (there probably shouldn't have been one to begin with), but if they had to have those scenes, geeez, who did they get to write the dialogue? Someone who spoke no English?
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Your analysis is basically accurate, albeit a little too charitable. In the novel, the romance is basic to the plot since the novel is as much about Willie's development into a mature human being as it is about a war time mutiny. But the screenplay fails to integrate the romance into the rest of the story, making it an irrelevant distraction. Had the romance been removed from the film, the film would have been stronger and more coherent.

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You're right that in the film, the romance could have been easily excised without notice.

However, if the producers had insisted on keeping it in, they could have at least done it properly. In the book, Willie's relationship with May is one of the two things -along with service on the Caine that matures him.

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It's very interesting to know how the romance played out in the book. I haven't read it, and I just assumed the studio threw in a contrived romance in order to make the all-male, all-military TCM more appealing to women (not that this flimsy plot would have done that, but you know....).

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In the book, Willie meets May in the summer of 1941, right after he graduates from Princeton. It's when he's trying to make it as a piano player, rather than going into academia as his mother wants. May is a new singer at the club that he's hired at.

They date until Willie enters the Navy in late 1942. Willie doesn't tell his mother about her, as he believe his mother would disapprove as May is from a poor family and also Italian-Catholic. (May's real name is Marie Minotti, but she's changed it for her singing career.) He DOES tell his father about May though, while he's at midshipman school. His father says that he thinks that both the Navy and May are having a good effect on Willie, and he'd very much like to meet the girl. (Willie's father dies of a melanoma not long after Willie leaves for the Pacific).

During his shore leave at Yosemite, Willie and May sleep together but Willie still tries to avoid the subject of marriage. During the year under Queeg, he writes to her often but thinks more and more that he'll end the relationship because if he survives the war he wants peace in his life, not a marriage with a struggling singer that his mother would never approve of.

Following the mutiny, Willie is given leave to go home (he lives in Westchester, New York) for a week. The new Captain of the Caine -a Regular Navy troubleshooter sent aboard to restore order and normalcy after Queeg and the mutiny- allows him to go, as it's uncertain when he'll be free to go again. (As Willie is facing charges too.) While there, Willie tells his mother and May (who he'd finally introduced to each other in San Francisco over a year before) about the mutiny and impending court martial. There, he breaks up with May.

After Maryk's acquittal, Willie's case is dropped. He returns to the Caine and is soon elevated to Executive Officer. He finds himself missing May terribly and throws himself into his work to keep his mind occupied. In June of 1945, the Caine is hit by a kamikaze at Okinawa. Seconds before the plane hits, Willie thinks he's about to die and realizes his only regret is not marrying May when he had the chance. Willie organizes the crew, gets the damage under control and effectively saves the ship. That night, he writes a long letter to May asking for forgiveness and if she would marry him.

No answer comes in the ensuing weeks and months. After V-J Day and surrender in Tokyo Bay, Keefer (who had been Captain) is discharged and sent home. Willie is elevated to Captain and brings the Caine to the Bayonne Naval Yard for decommissioning. His mother picks him up and drives him home. He tells her he plans to marry May if she'll have him. His mother points out that Willie never gave her a chance to get to know May. Willie hid her and kept it all secret -i.e. he made May look cheap, so she took May at the face value Willie put on her. Willie realizes that his mother has a point. His mother says that if May takes him back to bring her around the house. She wants to meet her and get to know her properly.

Willie tracks May down at the club she's working at. She says she was moved to tears by his proposal letter but was too badly hurt still to reply. They talk and decide to give it another chance; as now that the war is over, they have time.

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when asked about the movie, humphrey bogart said: "i didn't think it was so hot - they crapped it up with an unncessary love story"




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The worst part of the romance angle isn't the romance itself, but the tug-of-war between the girlfriend and mom for Steve's affections. What the eff was that all about?

These scenes don't cripple the movie, but they do harm it. They should have been jettisoned, no question.

"...if that was off, I'd be whoopin' your ass up and down this street." ~ an irate Tarantino

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as others have said, in the book the romance is central to the story since it shows the evolution of keith's character. in the movie, it was clumsily written and left out all of the important elements. i found may wynn's charcter hard to figure out - one minute she was happy, then she was mad at willie because of his mother's hold over him, then she thought they had a future, then she didn't.

i agree with seanjoyce that the scenes should have been cut. if not that, then the scenes should have been written to fully show the complexities of the romance and how it eventually shapes keith's chcracter.


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I agree, angelofvic. I couldn't figure it out either. And the whole subplot was unnecessary.

Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, and / or doesn't.

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The truth. Utterly excruciating.

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