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What a gloriously stupid movie (And I mean that as a compliment!)


Let's face it: The dialogue is sophmoric, the acting is scene-chewing hideous, and the plot devices (SPOILER: Last minute miracle to save Demetrius) are ridiculous! But there is something gloriously compelling and entertaining about the movie. Watching this film in all its earnestness is just great fun; I always look forward to viewing it during its perennial Easter showings. In its own way it is essential for all film lovers.

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Permit me to add: worst costuming in a historical epic. You'd think with the Cinemascope widescreen spectacular setup, they'd have spent a few bucks on decent garmenting. The hats are especially ludicrous. The costuming in the earlier Ten Commandments and in other biblical flicks is usually so much better - understated whites in Greatest Story Ever Told, richly respectable robes in King of Kings (1961), attractive but "authentic" in Gibson's "Passion"...

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I disagree with the assertion that the film does not take itself seriously. I think it's a reverent, faithful adaptation. Yes, I cringe as well, but, do face facts. There is much in this film that is actually quite good - at the very least, its score.

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gaelicguy,

I agree, except: What is it precisely that makes you "cringe"? . . .

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hipechik,

I hear the term "camp" used quite often, but am a little uncertain as to what "camp" actually means. I've always looked at "The Robe" as a sincere and more faithful than usual adaptation of a novel -- straight-forward point of view, solid performances (especially Mature's), and elaborate production values. . . Specifically, what is "camp" in "The Robe"? Can you give me an example or two? Thanks.

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I could watch Richard Burton in anything.

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Indeed, gloriously stupid. What a preachy nonsense. The most dreadful thing is the ending with Burton and Simmons walking to certain death and suddenly, as if that was an enormously funny thing, there is a cheerful and joyous Halleluja being sung, the leads smile at each other and walk into the clouds. If there hadn't been the clouds fading into the picture but blood and viloence and whatever martyrdom consisted of, it would have been clearly visible how out of place that triumphant music is.

The conversion of both leads - especially Burton's - is in no way believable and yet the audience is expected to accept that they are both reday to die for their new found faith. Somewho it's irresponsible to present it as a good idea to die for religion and to pretend that they will be united in their after-life. That leads man to the strange conclusion that live is nothing to be respected and treasured but to hope for everything after death.But probably Hollywood was simply unable to cope with the dark ending and therfore decided to make martyrdom look like fun. What a dishonest, kitschy ending to a mediocre film

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"Preachy"? Perhaps, but, then again, so are the Sermon on the Mount and the Declaration of Independence.

"...as if that was an enormously funny thing..."

I don't believe I quite take your meaning of "funny" here.

"If there hadn't been the clouds fading into the picture but blood and violence and whatever martyrdom consisted of..."

I think the producers' intention was to provide you with something you, maybe, hadn't thought about (the "whatever", if you will) the SPIRITUAL side of "martyrdom" -- the "blood" and "violence" notwithstanding.

"The conversion of both leads - especially Burton's - is in no way believable..."

Well, to each his own re that. But I can recall several actual incidents taking place within the span of my own lifetime which strained credulity, for example, when some man or woman took the lives of his/her children and then himself/herself over some other kind of heart-felt conviction.

"Somewho it's irresponsible to present it as a good idea to die for religion and to pretend that they will be united in their afterlife."

That depends entirely on your belief system, and over-all point of view doesn't it? Obviously, your pov and that of the authors of the book/film are polar opposites. I mean, the film, after all, is theirs not yours. No? . . .

"That leads man to the strange conclusion that live is nothing to be respected and treasured but to hope for everything after death."

Oh? How does it do that? . . . Seems to me, at least, that the film is suggesting that as great as life may be (Marcellus and Diana are shown to be happy in it much of the time) death is, nevertheless, nothing to be feared once you've accepted the film's focus - the Christian message.

I think your critique is based more on your objections to the Christian philosophy than the film itself -- which, of course, is your right. Said differently -- I don't think much of Nazi doctrine but "Triumph of the Will" is an effective piece of film-making in presenting the intended appeal.

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First of all it's true that I am not a Christian but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't accept a film with a Christian message - if it was only well done. "Ben-Hur" is one of my all time favourites inspite of its Christian message because it is a stunning film with believabel and complex characters, beautiful cinematography, powerful music and a strong storyline relying more on people and their conflicts than on religious themes altough they are a part of the film. But "The Robe" is an awful film that lacks the careful direction of William Wyler and the subtelty "Ben-Hur" certainly has: The costumes are costumes, the sets are clearly sets on soundstages, Richard Burton overacts, Victor Mature doesn't act at all and the story is once again "Bad Roman becomes Good Christian" - "Quo Vadis" being another example of it. While "Ben-Hur" handles the religious motives rather cautiously, "The Robe" promotes them blatantly. William Wyler is reported to have said that he wanted to make a film that would appeal to people of all denominations and he certainly has because his film works on several levels - as an adveture story, a love story, a political drama and some sort of a "Passionsspiel" (like in Oberammergau). "The Robe" doesn't have these different levels and it lacks the overwhlming impact "Ben-Hur" has because it is hard to get emotionally involved with these cardboard villains and Christians.

Yet the fault doesn't lie within the story itself but in the awful script and in the unskillful handlig of it. When I watched the film I had the impression that it was following too closely along the storyline of a bad novel and I decided to have a look at the book it is based on. But I found the book to be by far superior to the film. The book has everything the film lacks: complex characters with believable conflicts, a carefully researched historical setting and a subtle way of interweaving religious themes.

The novel, for example, focuses on the relationship between Marcellus and his Greek slave and the changes it undergoes in the course of the events. The film misses this great opportunity by letting Demetrius run away from his master after half an hour which clearly contradicts Demetrius' character as Douglas envisioned it. The novel allows the reader to draw his own conclusion what and who Christ was and why people are attracted to Christianity while the film feels the need to impose it on the viewer. Douglas makes Demetrius keep the robe because he admires Christ for his courage and his charisma, only much later he learns about his teachings and becomes a follower. In Koster's film he understands that Christ is the son of good the very first time he sees him. Marcellus' conviction too takes a very long time in the novel and is much more convincing than in the film. You may object now that a film necessarily has to come straighter to the point than a book and therefore has to condense the story but here it doen't work in favour of the film.

A film should convey stories and messages by its specific means: visually not orally. In this film people tend to verbalize their feelings and believes, they do not simply act according to them, they do not show their changed believes by their deeds - or at least not without explaining it to the audience. And the few times no explanation is given, you have the beautiful but rather impertinent music telling you exactly what to feel.
That's what makes the film preachy for me - not its promotion of an idealistic concept. And I really wouldn't go so far as to name this film nobody would remember if it wasn't for the introduction of Cinemascope in the same sentence with the Declaration of Indepence that marks a great achievement in the history of Human Rights. The Declaration of Independence was an unprecedented document that embodied ideas rather new in its time and it has become the basis for a working democracy. Words were followed by deeds. That is much more than can be said for this badly done film providing superficial entertainment.

So your comparison with "Triumph des Willens" is rather weak: The bad philosophy got the good film, the good philosophy got the bad bad one. Villains are always more interesting and Riefenstahl probably was a more inventive direcot than Koster - the conventionally done "Robe" proves it.

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Schlageter,

You explain your position quite thoroughly and well. I can't say that I disagree with all of your assertions, however, I don't agree that "The Robe" is a "bad bad" film. The unfavorable comparison you make with "Ben-Hur" (a great film) is a little unfair. If we were to compare any "good" film with a similarly focused "great" film, the merely good film would, by definition, come up wanting. That doesn't ipso facto make it a bad film. Should we stop making films about newspaper publishers because the likelihood of a favorable comparison to "Citizen Kane" is remote? And, as with many films based upon long and complicated novels, short-cuts are inevitable (I admit some may be more effective than others). Nevertheless, you are entitled to your views about "The Robe's" choices. In addition, some more "conventional" films are quite good as entertainment (the principal reason for their creation). I think "The Robe" fits nicely into that category.

Btw, I take Leonard Maltin's view that Mature's performance is very good and, surprisingly, more enduring than the one turned in by Burton.

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

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Many years later... but your comments are still perfectly stated. This movie always annoyed me, with the one exception of Alfred Newman's film score. I actually walked out of a screening of this movie, which is something I've only done twice in my life. (The other was one of the later Star Wars movies.) I never knew why until reading your post. Thank you!

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You have something for everyone there, OP -- just like the quintessential Hollywood blockbuster!

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Nicely said. May I add, that I think what you've said provides a glimpse into one of the reasons this film is "so bashed and put down". Both the essence of Christianity and the sentiment of your post are not exactly at the top of the tree of "fashionable" philosophies to live by, today.

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The audiences rallied to this movie. along with the success of "Quo Vadis" (1951) this epic wide-screen movie began a genre that went on to a sequel and later "King of Kings" "Ben Hur" [Best Picture 1959) "The Fall of the Roman Empire" (1964) and "The Greatest Story Ever Stold" directed by George Stevens.

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people make me laugh. this is one of the greatest movies ever made.

the only thing that was stupid about it was the horse chase scene. looked fake. and the halleluiah singing in the end.

epic film.

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I love this movie, too. I saw it for the first time as a Catholic school third grader. But when one of the soldiers pursuing Marcellus jerks him right off his horse and spins him around without his even striking one blow, I can't help it; I laugh. Maybe if Marcellus hadn't been so concerned with saying good-bye to Demetrius, he might have been facing his pursuers and gotten at least one good swipe in.

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