The coffee scalding.


The coffee scalding incident is in William McGivern's original story. However a similar incident occurred a few years earlier in the 1948 movie Raw Deal.

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For the life of me I can't understand why she's sitting at the table after she's been scalded, crying that she's been scarred for life. Why doesn't she even try to save herself? Why doesn't she run to a sink and try to get some cold water on her face?

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Well, Debbie is not a girl who thinks. Getting to some cold water would be sensible and Debbie is not sensible. She goes on instinct and she's usually wrong.





"It's as red as The Daily Worker and just as sore."

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Back in the day when this movie was made it was not common practice to immediately apply cold to a bad burn. The practice then was to apply butter or some other greasy substance which actually could do more damage than doing nothing.

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Debby seems to be masochistic victim. Someone that drinks and complains in a passive aggressive way might also sit after being scalded.

"Two more swords and I'll be Queen of the Monkey People." Roseanne

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Oh, I do remember "back in the day". I still remember getting a burn on my finger as a child, and my mother putting butter on it. It was a common old wives theory then that cold water would drive the burn in.

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Yep. Back in the early 60s I grabbed a hot coal at a barbeque having no idea what it was. The 1st thing the adults on hand did was to get some butter from the cooler and apply it to my fingers and the palm of my hand. This did nothing to help the pain and, in fact, caused me to howl like crazy - the only reason I remember the incident.
In later years I picked up a hot soldering iron by the wrong end thinking I had unplugged it hours earlier. Fortunately, the room I was in was adjacent to the bathroom so I was able to almost immediately get my fingers under ice cold water. I let the water run as the sink filled, never removing my fingers from the cold water - and this is key should you ever find yourself in this position:
Leave the area submerged for longer than you might think is reasonable. The reason why the butter idea is bad and why you need to keep the affected area under cold water for at least 5 - 10 minutes (if ya don't wanna suffer the pain that is) is, as gdave said, the flesh has been super heated and continues to burn after the source of the burn has been removed. Although my skin surface was burnt by the hot tip of the soldering iron, I didn't feel a thing after removing my hand from the sink. A few years later I did similar on a wood stove but failed to keep the area submerged long enough ... yeeouchhhhh.
Burns are kinda my hobby/specialty :-)

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I ALSO thought the scalding scene was WOEFULLY underplayed...if she was "so much pain...etc" then why wasn't she crying, screeching, running to get the fateful butter to put on her face (which was worse)...? I just DO NOT get it! I made me lose respect for the movie, in zero seconds flat!

Enrique Sanchez

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Didn't she get ice from the ice bucket right next to where she was sitting, there was a bottle of wine of something next to the bucket when she got up to go to the hosptial. I thought she also had a rag to her face..

Evie Decker: Did you ever feel like it wouldn't matter if you lived or died?

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She got up and ran into the room where the others were gathered around a card table. She sat down while one of the men immediately grabbed some kinda towel and put it to her face. Whether it was wet/soaked with cold water or not wasn't obvious. She was then rushed out of the room, towel held to her face and taken for medical treatment.
The coffee/pot that Vince grabbed was on a heat coil and was boiling - the coffee was shown bubbling. Putting a towel on this type of burn isn't advised these days, thats for sure although, had it been me and a towel thoroughly soaked in ice water was immediately available, I would have applied it - at least until I could get to a source of more cold/ice water. But thats just my opinion.
IIRC, cloth/towels etc., even plain sterile dressings, aren't advisable because the fibers stick to the burn making it more likely to damage the affected area + burns are prone to infection - something a handy bar rag/towel is likely to contribute to. After the burning process has ended I think medicated goop applied to sterile dressing is used so as to make removing/changing the dressing easier - but I'm not sure anymore about this. Any health care pros out there ?

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I had a much more difficult time listening to the EMT (of the day), in effect, pronouncing Grahame dead while shes still conscious & rational as she talks to Bannion. And there were 2 guys in the background with stretchers yet no one made an attempt to get her on a stretcher and get her butt to the ER. I have no idea how realistic this was back in the day but, if it was, imagine that ? Bannion was a 'man of action' in this flick - it would have fit his character for him to start yelling for these guys to get their a**es in gear and at least try to do something for her. Instead he puts her fur under her head to make her more comfortable (and easier to film her as she delivers her dialogue). I love this movie for a variety of reasons but there are times I had to shake my head.

* I know the down cast eyes, shake of the head with the: 'Theres no hope' line was common in many movies BITD. I imagine the writers simply assumed the unsophisticated audience wouldn't know enough to question the 'diagnosis'.

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Obviously, field emergency medical service then wasn't EXACTLY what it is today. My dad worked as a hospital orderly in the early-to-mid '50s (in a small town, granted) and would sometimes find himself riding with the ambulance (basically a station wagon with a light and siren -- a "scoop-n-scoot", as a modern EMT might characterize it). Mind you, my dad had no specific medical training; apparently the driver would just grab somebody strong enough to hold up their half of the stretcher. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, paramedical service as we know it today didn't start to develop until the late '60s/early '70s, with the Vietnam-War-era concept of the "Golden Hour" (the idea that the sooner after an injury medical attention begins, the better the prognosis). Somebody please correct me if I'm mistaken.

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Debby's scalded face is badly disfigured, and she seems to think that it will be permanent. (Of course she isn't around much longer anyway, but leave that aside.) I wonder, would a momentary splash of hot coffee really cause such severe damage to your face, and would it be permanent? I've never experienced it quite like that, but I experienced boiling water pouring onto my hand years ago and it didn't leave any permanent scarring. The damage to her face looks more like what you might expect from acid or exposure to flame or maybe splashed oil close to its boiling point.

"I beseech ye in the bowels of Christ, think that ye may be mistaken."

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I would expect first-degree or, at most, second-degree burns (blistering), which wouldn't necessarily scar.

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BoxOfficePoison - Nope, you're on the money. And they used to grab victims of car wrecks, serious falls etc, without a thought to neck/spinal injuries. Yes, things have changed since then - one lawsuit at a time :-) 'Triage' was another development. Remember the term 'meat wagon' (ambulance) ?

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He didn't say she was dead. He said, "She won't make it." Big diff.

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A BIG difference
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Hardly. If it was you or a loved one lying there, would you accept that ??? She was written off for dead, period, by someone who is not qualified to do so to boot. OK, he can think what ever he wants, its a free country, but to not take immediate action to get her into the hands of a doctor is negligent to the point of being prosecutable.
I worked in the healthcare field for 36+ years and I can tell you that as far back as the 70s at least, it would have been my a** had I decided to not take action based on my unqualified opinion that a person was going to die, so why bother ...

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I actually think the acting was a little lacking when you consider how severe the pain must have been. Then again old movies usually feel outdated when it comes to "shock value". I thought the reveal of her scars almost stood the test of time but the acting during the scolding scene was just meh...

Didn't detract from the quality of the film for me though, it's a brilliant movie.

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