high noon or Rio Bravo?
Rio Bravo is much better wester i think
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I think "Rio Bravo" is one of the funnest B movies around, but "High Noon" transcends that. "High Noon".
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I opt for High Noon (Fred Zinneman, 1952), the tenser, more concisely dynamic, and more elegantly haunting of the two films. Its ticking "real-time" narrative grants this Western a unique quality and a sense of hypnotic compulsiveness, while its narrative is metaphorical. Perhaps best of all, the film refuses to compromise and offers a startling (even iconoclastic) gesture in its coda, quite daring for the early fifties.
shareI too opt for high noon because it had actual actors in it. Ricky Nelson?
Dean Martin? John Wayne? Gimme a break.
Frank Lee Deere. I don't give a damn.
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I really like John Wayne but "High Noon" is a way better movie! "Rio Bravo" as well as "El Dorado" are very good entertaiment but are not as tense and moving as "High Noon"! A good Wayne movie is "The Searchers" but still worse than "High Noon"!
shareYeah, Rio Bravo was so lacking in real actors like Grace Kelly (), and um... whoever else it was besides Katy Jurado who actually had more than 2 lines.
Lol, what a dumb post.
"High Noon". I think "Rio Bravo" is more fun but "High Noon" is artistically finer. Still both are great
shareI can't believe anyone would even ask this question, much less pick Rio Bravo over High Noon. Rio Bravo is a middle of the road, ok, entertainment western, with nothing special. It doesn't even come close to the earlier Hawks/Wayne collaboration, Red River. High Noon is one of the greatest westerns ever made, perhaps the best. It is a movie with forceful, classic performances, and a strong moral center, due to its allegorical portrayal of McCarthyism and those who failed to oppose it. I can't imagine anyone who can't see the clear disparity in quality between these two pictures.
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I generally like John Wayne much more than Gary Cooper, Howard Hawks is one of my favorite directors, I think Walter Brennan is one of the greatest character actors of all time, I love to look at Angie Dickinson (especially the costume she wears in Rio Bravo's last scene), and Grace Kelly leaves me cold in just abour every film I've seen her in, including this one. Nevertheless, while Rio Bravo is a very, very good film (marred only by Ricky Nelson's inability to act), High Noon is one of the very greatest films ever made.
shareMy Vote Goes For High Noon Coop at His Finest
shareAs previously stated, the question should not even be asked. While Rio Bravo is a very entertaining movie, and I enjoy watching it very much, with great casting and actors(Walter Brennen is one of the greatest of all time), High Noon is in a class by itself, for many reasons - story line, Cooper's performance, etc. High Noon, hands down.
sharethe question should not even be asked.
Here you go lying your a$$ off again. Posters on several threads on this board have discussed their fondness for classic westerns. Those of us who do love the genre recognize High Noon as the great achievement it is. Your preference for Rio Bravo merely reflects your own neo-facist sympathies with that disgusting defense of McCarthyism, as opposed to High Noon's brave portrayal of its evils.
share I prefer Rio Bravo to High Noon. I love Howard Hawks and High Noon is one of those films I have never really been able to get into. The constant repetition of the theme gets annoying and I have never really found the movie particularly susepenseful or moving. The idea of the movie, a lawman goes to the townspeople for help and find them fearful and ungrateful is a good one. The execution of it however leaves me cold. High Noon might be an allegory on the evils of McCarthyism but I don't see why this necessarily makes it a great movie.
Actually High Noon strikes me as a film which could also be interpreted in a consevative fashion. A single man fighting against a foregin menace. Indeed at the begining of the film Kane is giving up his badge but reassumes his position to engage in a fight the town does not wish to be part of. Indeed the town does not even want him around. One could easily put a facist interpretaion to this.
Rio Bravo is not as good a movie as Hawks' and Wayne's previous collaboration , Red River. Indeed their a number of different westerns which I like better. To describe Rio Bravo as neo-facist is inaccurate. It is another one of Hawks' essays on professionalism and friendship. Sheriff John Chance is holding a prisoner because it is his job. He does not seek help because he thinks amatuers would not be able to face up against professionals. As such he wishes to avoid pointless slaughter. If High Noon shows how pressure can bring out people's worst Rio Bravo how it can bring out people's best. The best example is Dude gradually shaking off his alcoholism and regaining his skills.
Dean Martin turns in a woderful performance in Rio Bravo. He avoids the comic and the angst giving a portrait of an alcoholic trying to deal with everyday life. The performance gives the movie soul and depth. Angie Dickinson handles the standard Hawksian woman with aplomb, standing up to and ruffling John Wayne. Wayne's standard screen character is ruffuled by others throughout the movie. Be it Dickinson's character making a pass at him, showing Dean Martin the proper way to roll a cigarette, or Walter Brennan yelling at him his majesty does not carry the day. He has to work with others. Wayne is a marvelous straight man and center keeping the film from becoming ponderous or sliding in shtick. As for Ricky Nelson, well he doesn't get in the way too much.
Comparing Rio Bravo to High Noon does not seem to be an apt compairson. Indeed, if Howard Hawks had not made the compairson in the first place I doubt many would have made it. The Gunfighter (1950) vs. High Noon strikes me as more interesting. I could argue that Rio Bravo fufills its aims as portarit of professionalism better than High Noon's allegory of McCarthyism. The films have entirely different tones and structures. High Noon is suspensful and tight while Rio Bravo is comic and ambling. In the end though its just that I'd rather spend time with the characters in Rio Bravo than those in High Noon. Many of you will probably see this as a cowardly option or simply feel otherwise. Reading the various responses towards High Noon have made me want to see it again. I may enjoy it more this time. Anyway, as Alfred Hitchcock once said to Ingrid Bergman "It's only a movie."
To phorowit --- Forgive the time lapse before this reply but you wrote one of the most intelligent and civil posts it's been my pleasure to read here. Thanks for your thoughts. And for the record I vote Rio Bravo.
shareHeir Teach417:
Typical Lib response from those that LOVE to toss around 'Fascist','Nazi' & "Jack Booted Thug' but get hostile and start attacking/name calling anyone offering an opinion differing from theirs.Of course hiding behind their PC monitor makes up close and personal questions like 'Who you calling a**hole, a**hole ?' impossible. How I'd love to make you p*ss your pants right now for calling this member an 'a**hole' because they dared give their their opinion - and one that was solicited at that. Why ?
It's easy to see why you seem to hate anyone that my have taken sides with what you consider to be the wrong side concerning the 'House Committee On Un-American Activities' affair. Your response is as un-American as it gets
short of using violence to silence this 'poster' or anyone whose opinion you don't like. Doesn't surprise me tough guy, your nic contains the word 'Teach'. How long have you been filling young minds with your hateful thoughts ? I can't imagine what you would say to anyone who didn't vote for Obama. Go ahead, give your thoughts on that one while your at it. Freakin' unreal.
BTW, is your problem with the McCarthy hearings due to the way they were conducted or with the notion that Communists shouldn't be infiltrating the motion picture industry in this country ? Or, maybe you have other thoughts- they may be interesting to us Heir Teach. Simple question - no need to get nasty about it - I'd like to hear your opinion. Historically your kind had no use for the Communists so this should be interesting.'Free speech is for me not for thee' right ? I do feel you have the right to express your thoughts and opinions here - being protected (free) speech and all. I know, abhorrent huh ?
How can you not SEE YOURSELF ? auf Wiedersehen mein Teach...
Haven't checked this thread in some time, so I just came across this infantile, mendacious post. First of all, if you're going to try to insult me by using the German for Mister, at least spell it correctly: "Herr," not "Heir."
Nowhere have I tried to stop anyone else from having their say; I've just posted my response to lies and prevarications. I refer to Jane Doe as a Neo-Facist because that's what she is. She's the one who's tried to dismiss the opinions of anyone who disagrees with her, and she's the one who has attacked and out and out lied about High Noon, because it attacked McCarthyism.
Your attempt to label me as "un-American" because I disagree with you is, of course, the worst sort of betrayal of true American principles. Americans hold different points of view. The current attempt of the far right fringe, of which you are obviously a member, to blackguard anyone who disagrees with them, is Neo-Facism by definition.
My problem with the McCarthy hearings, and the activities of the House Un-American Committee, is the same that everyone who loves freedom and liberty has. Communism was never the threat to this country that McCarthyism was. The vast majority of Americans was never going to fall for the false promises of the Leninist-Marxist-Maoists. Unfortunately, too many Americans, such as yourself, fell for the lies and demagogaury of the craven politicians of that era.
Lastly, who is the one trying to act like a tough guy from the safety of his keyboard? Where have I called anyone a**hole, as you have called me? Where have I threatened anyone, as you attempted to threaten me? You are a lying, cowardly, brainwashed punk, who has fallen for every lie from the Limbaughs and Becks of this world. Our constitution gives you the right to say what you want. Just don't expect any intelligent adult to ever pay any attention to your childish ranting.
I enjoyed both, and if I'm ignoring the supposed political commentary of both (I usually do), I'd probably say High Noon.
shareI think High Noon is a much better film, though I slightly prefer The Searchers than to this.
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Rio Bravo is better. High Noon is a good film - it just happens to be somewhat overrated. The Searchers, though, is hands down the best of the three.
shareRio Bravo FTW. High Noon is good, but RB is far far superior
shareHigh Noon is so much better than the slow, overlong, badly acted crapfest called Rio Bravo that the question shouldn't even be asked.
shareRio Bravo is much more engaging and entertaining. And a helluva lot more cool than High Noon.
RB FTW
Rio Bravo is just a slow, boring, badly acted piece of crap with awful performances from two singers and a too old and fat John Draft Dodger Wayne.
share^Man if I were a High Noon supporter I'd sure be feeling rather embarrassed. Having this infamous little pissant git speaking out in support of my movie and all (many HN fans I've encountered here may be annoyingly self-righteous, but they're not him).
Cooper at 6 years older than Wayne must surely be considered perfectly cast in terms of age, especially in his part as the husband of a a 22 year-old actress. And what impressively modern acting there courtesy the always three dimensional Grace Kelly, the impressively emotive Cooper, and the properly fleshed out and not at all cartoonish villains. LOL, I'm not sure why I'd bother to address his "argument" though, given how he uses this same one word for word to describe every classic movie he disapproves of (which is most he's seen), making it doubtful that he actually puts real thought into these posts.
Actually Cooper was only 50 in High Noon, Wayne was 51 in Rio Bravo.
shareJane, I think we've encountered this idiot under other names. All given away by the antipathy towards John Wayne in particular, and always with no thought behind the post.
Me, I like both movies for different reasons and watch them for different reasons.
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Why not compare High Noon to High Plains Drifter? or Blazing Saddles? They also contain the theme of cowardly townspeople who come to depend on the Man on Horseback.
No one can criticize Cooper's character -- it's the portrayal of cowardly townspeople that some find so objectionable.
Rio Bravo was too long and had too much talk. High Noon's brevity and nail-biting suspense make it a much better film.
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