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when, WHEN, **WHEN** will we get this film on DVD????


I just don't get it. This film utterly *screams* for a full-length, lovingly restored DVD release!!!

And yet we have *nothing*....except the #%$* VHS version...what th'?

Nope. Not even there. For that we have the bitter dregs, and I'm talking about the nauseating colorized version. Give us the original B&W Hawks' visionary version with *all* the shocking scenes intact. Well...shocking for the day I suppose. Nothing like watching someone get stitched up with no anesthetic...or a finger chopped off with a little booze (or a lot) for prep. Sorry...some things stick with me over the years. And hey...doesn't Poor Devil sally forth to scalp the deceased bad guys in one scene? Wasn't there on the VHS version. Nevertheless, it remains a heckuva gripping piece of work, with the tremendously beautiful Elizabeth Threatt in her one and only role as Teal-Eye. Kirk and Dewey play off each other with Hawks precision, and Arthur Hunnicutt plays the exact same role he's had in pretty much every other part he's ever played! Perhaps that's why he's so darned well loved.

"Well I'll be dogged...!"

And let us not forget Jim Davis in an early pre-CoffeeMate role as Streak. Classic stuff...just classic.

C'mon, Powers that Be!!! What's the holdup??? Let's have it, huh???

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The Region 2 (PAL) DVD is available here:
www.editionsmontparnasse.fr
or www.amazon.fr
in English, French or English with French subtitles
122', B&W, 4/3, beautiful print
French title: La Captive aux Yeux Clairs

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Many thanks for the information!

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I've been waiting for a proper Region 1 DVD release of this for a long time. My guess is that they're looking for better quality film of the 19 minutes of restored footage than presently seems to exist. If you see the movie on TCM the reinserted footage is painfully evident as its sound and picture quality is so degraded. (They're even apparently lacking a piece of the original background music near the beginning when Jim Deakins crosses the river in his wagon -- listen to the bit of the introductory music, taken from after the credits, suddenly and intrusively patched into the soundtrack at that point. I also surmise that the repetition of Zeb's narration before and after that scene is due to their laying that soundtrack over a portion of the restored footage whose own track is missing.)

The old Turner VHS b&w edition (NOT the colorized junk!) was actually an excellent print but only of the 122-minute version. Right now I'd settle for that being released on DVD. Truth be told, the extra footage doesn't add too much to the story and even slows it down at times to no purpose. Better still, how about a dual-disc release featuring both versions? Hopefuly with a cleaner 141-min. print. (Back in the early days of home video Nostalgia Merchant had a tape of this title that said it was 141 mins.; I saw the box in stores but never watched the tape, and I suspect that while it was full length it was probably not a good print either.)

How is the Region 2 version's quality?

By the way, this is supposed to be Clint Eastwood's favorite "western" (though it's more of a "sort-of" western). Maybe Clint can pressure WHV to release it.

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How is the Region 2 version's quality?

He said the print quality is beautiful.

I strongly suggest you get a multi-region DVD player. There are plenty on eBay and very cheap (use "region-free" or "multi-region" keywords). A whole world of titles opens up, especially British. One of my better investments.

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I totally agree. This is one of my favorites, and I never get tired of watching it. That wonderful Hawks trademark overlapping dialog is why everyone is sure it was Hawks who really directed The Thing.

There's one problem that may be a factor in The Big Sky's not being released: apparently, the original master has been lost. The first Big Sky I saw had obviously been hacked to pieces. (Where'd they get the horse?) In the TCM copy the missing parts are restored, and they're painfully easy to spot. They are inferior quality dupes, and knowing TCM we can be sure that they are all that can be found, and this suggests to me that the master is lost.

Yes, believe it or not, studios were criminally negligent (and stupid) about preserving their output. If you think The Big Sky is bad, you should check out classics like My Man Godfrey, Nothing Sacred and Things to Come.

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Yes, it's astounding to believe how stupid, short-sighted and careless the studios were with their output -- even into the 70s, when you'd have thought they'd know better.

However, the fact that TCM has a bad copy of THE BIG SKY doesn't necessarily mean all is lost. Their print of THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD has glaringly poor inserts of the footage cut out in the 70s and restored a few years ago, but the quality of that restored footage on the DVD (and even its VHS predecessor) is excellent. Why they don't run that version is beyond me. They also insist on running dreadful-quality prints of the Basil Rathbone "Sherlock Holmes" series even though these too have been beautifully restored for DVD. So you can't always go by TCM (of which I am a fan). Still, I am not optimisitc...a dual-feature disc of BIG SKY (the perfect edited version and the imperfect original) still looks the best bet for my money.

By the way, Image's edition of THINGS TO COME is excellent. (Beware the recently colorized version that's just come out!)

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Thanks for the helpful info. Glad to hear about Things to Come. The copy I have is horrible, like it was taken from public domain. As for Rathbone's Sherlock, I got a few from Amazon, and they were horrible, too. Fortunately, I'm spoiled on Jeremy Brett, so no great loss. Rathbone was a wonderful Holmes, but he was ruined by Watson played as a buffoon.

I always thought TCM were scrupulous about running the best copies they could find, so your news perplexes me, too.

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All those titles (Things to Come, the Holmes) are in public domain, that's why the existence of pristine copies is so great. I'm surprised at your assessment of the Holmes copies you got at Amazon -- they couldn't be the MPI restorations, which aren't horrible at all, but of top quality -- they even restored the missing Universal logos, war bond tags, and used the cleanest elements they could find. Excellently done, especially for a series that's been degraded with steadily worse copies in public domain for over 50 years! Unfortunately lots of crummy p.d. copies still abound. Same with "Things...", so be careful which edition you order so you don't end up with another lousy p.d. rip-off. (Buy from a site like Amazon or DVD Planet where you can check the box and distributor so you can be sure it's from Image -- part of their Wade Williams Collection.)

TCM has some films -- the Holmes series, and some others like a couple of films starring Fibber McGee and Molly and Lum and Abner (really!) -- where the prints they use come from some outfit calling itself National Film Archives or something like that -- their opening logo is a reel of film rolling across a photo of what looks like a group of flags outside the United Nations, while solemn, portentous music intones as if this were a state funeral. Anyway, they obviously adopted a bogus name to make them sound like an official repository of the nation's film heritage. Actually, it's just a movie junk shop, with bad prints they clearly don't give a damn about, sort of the Alpha Video of TCM.

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I'm sure TCM does make an effort to run the best print AVAILABLE--and that is where the problem lies. A very good friend of mine works for Warner Home Video, and the budget they have for restoration of the movies they control which isn't big enough to cover every worthy title. When a film is very successful, such as "Wizard of Oz" and the recently restored "The Searchers," Warners, who owns the rights to these films, will pay to do a restoration--and usually it is a wonderful job (look at the new "The Searchers.") But a black & white film that wasn't overly successful in its initial release doesn't get high priority (unless it features a major star like like John Wayne). These films have to wait until there is a demand for them. (Obviously Turner isn't going to pay for the restoration of a film they no longer own.)

In fact, the best VIDEO versions available to TCM for a film such as "The Big Sky" are probably the ones made by Turner back when he acquired the MGM, RKO and other film libraries over 20 years ago. TCM doesn't run film prints, so what we are seeing is probably a D2 digital composite video made off the best existing film elements back then--which may have been a fine grain, a dupe negative, the original negative, or a release print--perhaps even a 16mm print from the 50s that the the studios made to send to local stations to run on their film chains--or a combination of several of these. At best, the studios weren't very good at preserving thier films, and RKO--who distributed "The Big Sky"--were the worst when it came to preservation, so who knows what the TCM version was made from.

Hopefully the TCM screenings of "The Big Sky" will interest enough people to start demanding a full on restoration of the movie--it's a film that I believe should be in the Library of Congress list of films "worthy of preservation." Maybe Kirk or Michael Douglas can exert some pressure--these stars have a surprising amount of clout when it comes to getting a restoration made. If there is a pristine French and/or Spanish version as has been reported, it probably is due to the fact that the German company Kinowelt has distribution rights overseas, and probably own a first class fine grain positive which they used to make their own video release. As long as good archival materials exist somewhere, the situation isn't hopeless--it just takes a show of interest to get the ball rolling.

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"unless it features a major star like like John Wayne" -

well, for crying out loud: Howard Hawks directing Kirk Douglas isn't major enough for you?

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