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Turner Classic Movies and 'The Big Sky'


Three times I have tried to tape this film off of TCM and each time something has happened in the satellite transmission that have made it impossible for me to get a decent recording. Makes you wonder if there isn't some plot against people seeing this movie.

Seriously, I wish someone would release a pristine DVD of this--I had a lousy VHS made off a worn-out release print many years ago, but even it finally failed. I also wonder what happened to the original version that Hawks cut. Anyone know who owns the rights?

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i recently recorded the version on tcm and it was a pretty lousy print, which is unusual for them, but may be the best available in the u.s. needs restoration badly.

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Yes, the print quality of all the versions I have seen in the past few years have been terrible. Hard to believe that such a fine film from one of the greatest American directors is so neglected.

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I watched this movie last night on TCM and the quality was horrid. TCM is usually a great source of old movies.

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I also saw it last night, and the film looked and sounded as if it had been released in 1932 rather than 1952 ...

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I agree with all of you. I have tried making copies but I want something much better! I finally broke down and appealed to TCM to spend the effort to offer a restored 140 minute DVD of this film with interviews, historical notes, anything to make a package worthy of a Howard Hawks film. Go to their web site and vote (just make sure you tell 'em you want the 140 minute version.)!

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I agree with you about this movie and would love to be able to purchase the full version. I sent an email to TCM as you suggested and told them I would love to purchase the long version.

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I know I'm *many* years behind in this thread, but my reply is appropriate.

After all these years it's still happening! The film was on TCM a week or so ago, and I set the DVR to record it. After settling in watch, I find that the first 15 minutes of the film are missing! Either the listing was incorrect or I don't know...but whatever happened it ain't cool.

WTF????

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Exact same happened to me when I DVRed it on TCM a couple weeks ago. The recording started 15 minutes into the film. That's never happened before with a movie I recorded off TCM.

Further, I was surprised at the lousy quality of the rest of the movie. Scenes seemed have been spliced into it from different prints because the picture and sound quality would noticeably deteriorate during those scenes. It's really odd.

TCM used to show this movie on a fairly regular basis, but not so much over the last decade or so. I suspect the poor quality of the print they currently have is the reason.

However, as a big fan of the novel upon which this movie is allegedly based, I was disappointed at how poor the movie is in comparison to its source material. It's a really, really awful adaption of a truly great novel. Also, Dewey Martin is dreadful as Boone Caudill. (To give an example of how different the book and movie are from each other: in the novel the crew of the Mandan are slaughtered by the Blackfeet.)

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ATTENTION!!

The Big Sky is showing on TCM Saturday, August 31st at 2:00AM.

Kinda short notice, but I just saw it on the schedule myself. Let's see if they get it right this time...!

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Thanks ben-thayer! Just checked our local cable programing (comcast) and there it is. Set my DVR since it's on so late. They give it 3 stars, but if the quality of the prints were better, I would give it four. Great adventure story. I love this era of American history.

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I know this is an old message, but the problem is that the 35mm version was cut badly and only the 16mm prints are complete. Choices: 1) Show the complete version in a bad print, 2) Show the cut version in a good print, 3) Consolidate the two and have glaring differences in quality.

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The TCM print is horrible. It appears there is a restored version, not sure why TCM does not have it, nor is it available on DVD - or why it is 138 minutes long.

http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/film_screenings/5554

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Just watched that Aug.31st showing on TCM and while I liked the movie, the comments in this thread were dead on, the print they showed was horrific as the sound and picture quality fluctuated throughout. It really detracted from my viewing experience and from the Oscar nominated work of cinematographer Russell Harlan. While I appreciate TCM showing a film I had never seen before, I had very mixed feelings about what I saw and it's probably a film that a network with the reputation that TCM has, should shy away from showing in the future unless they obtain a better quality print.

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I don't understand why there's such a mystery about the poor state of the print of The Big Sky shown on TCM these days.

The film was originally released at 141 minutes. Soon after, it was cut to 122 to get more theatrical showings when it went into wider release later in 1952. It was this shorter print that eventually went to TV and was the only version shown for over 40 years.

Unfortunately, during that time the deleted 19 minutes were neglected and from the available information all pristine 35mm prints including that footage have been lost. In the late 1990s, TCM began running the "restored" version with the missing 19 minutes back in. But that footage was spliced in from a 16mm print in degraded condition. The substandard footage includes not only the missing 19 minutes, but much of the lead-in material (to cover fade-ins, dissolves and so on) adjacent to those restored sections, even though this footage still exists in good condition. The result is this "hybrid" 141-minute print of very variable quality. (Even the sound and music tracks are marred in the early scene of Jim crossing the river, with some music from another part of the film snipped in to cover an apparently lost bit of the original soundtrack.)

The old VHS was of the 122-minute version (as are Region 2 discs from France and Britain), and its sound and picture were excellent. However, TCM insists on running the film "complete" even though that means having this lousy, spliced-together print.

To get a good DVD of the film, Warner Home Video (which owns the rights to this and most RKO pictures) could either: release a print of the high-quality, 35mm 122-minute version; release a DVD of both, with the degraded 141-minute print on the flip side of the disc; or try to clean-up and restore the 141-minute print as best as possible and release it singly (or with the 122-minute version). Fixing the small piece of the missing soundtrack should be possible (the complete soundtrack exists on an excellent CD), but unless a clean 35mm print including those restored 19 minutes is discovered somewhere, we'll have to make do with the poor stuff, hopefully cleaned up as much as possible. (They did this with the most recent restoration of Metropolis.)

Personally, I got along fine with the 122-minute version. Normally I prefer the complete film, but in fact that extra 19 minutes doesn't add all that much to the narrative, and drags a bit. At this point I'd settle for a good release of the clean 122-minute print.

As to TCM, they still show a print of Hawks's The Thing From Another World with the 7 minutes that were cut from the film in the 1970s restored, but in a very degraded condition from a 16mm print -- even though on the DVD this footage is pristine! TCM has occasionally used substandard prints of films (several Sherlock Holmes movies, for example) that are available in clean copies on DVD. None of this makes any sense, but they do do such things. As for the posters who experienced a problem recording TCM's broadcast a while back, sometimes the channel begins or ends a film at a different time from the one listed, or changes its schedule. I think that's what happened when they missed the film's first 15 minutes.

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