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Would This Have Been A Better Movie



if William Holden had been cast as guy instead of Farley Granger?

I think it would have. Granger's kind of a weak. Robert Walker seems to blow him off the screen. Holden would have held his own much better.




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Just for the fact of Granger being able to play vulnerable, it would have been a mistake to use Holden, who I don't think could have played vulnerable.

Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

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Granger's character is supposed to be weak - Holden would have just punched the creep in the face and told him to piss off.



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No, I agree with the other posters. Hitchcock tended to have two types of male leads; the naturally heroic lady's man or an "every man" forced by circumstances to rise to the occasion.

Holden's specialty was being the urbane, tough and witty guy that made the women swoon. Nothing like Guy's personality. But then, when Hitchcock needed an urbane, tough and witty swoon-meister, he picked up the phone and called Cary Grant.

A young Jimmy Stewart could have played Guy, a generally decent man struggling to come to grips with a situation beyond his control. It was the same character type Stewart played as an older man in Rear Window, Vertigo and The Man Who Knew Too Much.

Bruno was looking for an accomplice he could intimidate and run circles around. He obviously intended to kill this person once the "cross-cross" was complete in order to tie up the last lose end.

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Though his own opinion need not be seen as any better than ours, Hitchcock told Francois Truffaut that the wanted William Holden for Guy, and felt that a "stronger" Holden would have been better for the story's conflict. He was disappointed to have had to taken Farley Granger instead. (Granger was less of a marquee star than Holden.)

But the movie is what it is as we have it, and Granger's subdued, weak performance does seem to fit the story better...not to mention, Guy DOES become strong in the "Granger version": he fights on the tennis court to win, he fights Bruno on the carousel.

Ironically, Hitchcock also wanted William Holden because Holden had just hit big in "Sunset Boulevard" where he plays...a pretty weak guy(dominated by rich old silent movie star Gloria Swanson.)

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Hitchcock was famous for working with Cary Grant and James Stewart, but he said he always wanted to work with William Holden. He seems to have offered Holden the wrong movies: Strangers on a Train and The Trouble With Harry. Had Hitchcock been willing to give Holden say, The Man Who Knew Too Much '56, he might have landed him.

Hitchcock noted that he always wanted to work with Bill Holden, but that Billy Wilder always got to. Conversely, Wilder always wanted to work with Cary Grant, but Hitchcock always got to.

Must have been the offered roles...

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Not fair. William Holden is just good in everything.

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