Thin story...all music


I have tried to like this movie, but I just "can't get into it". It's got one of the thinnest story lines I've ever seen. Lots and lots of interesting outdoor scenery, and enough Herrmann music for 2 films (this and NBNW), and then it ends. I don't get it...
Did anybody tape it in January, watch it, and care to make any comments...? (Would be much appreciated...!)
Regards,

Steve

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It was played in my area (local TV) just this past weekened and I taped it, watched ir and loved it. I didn't see a thin story. I saw the story of a man who cared about his profession so much that he led a lonely life. He was sent to catch a killer but meets someone as equally as lonely. I liked it alot.

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Thanks for your response, glad you liked it anyway. As mentioned before, I found the story too thin, and the music excessive. If somebody told me this was secretly directed by Orson Wells, I'd believe it! It's exactly his kind of arty, "over the top" style...
Regards,

Steve

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I love this movie, and have since I first saw it (and yes, part of the reason is b/c of the spectacular score.)

I might call the plot simple, but not thin. It's very basic and full of raw emotions. It's what I like about the movie.

It's also fascinating to see Ray toying with camera techniques that wouldn't become popular for decades.

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"It's also fascinating to see Ray toying with camera techniques that wouldn't become popular for decades."

I agree with the original poster's assessment, but I definitely agree with this. I remember one scene when Ryan is chasing a suspect, the camera briefly follows him, shaking around, just like every movie made in the last 10 years. So modern!
Now all we need is Ray's film debut: They Live by Night. Incredible noir, infinitely better than On Dangerous Ground.

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Thanks for your comments everyone. The chase scene should be nominated as one of the most overdone and overscored scenes in movie history. I found the visuals and music too distracting for the subject matter being depicted (this is just a B movie folks, not an epic!). Completely "over the top", but interesting to talk about anyway. Silly artists...!

Regards,

RSGRE

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Yeah, it's like the "3 GODFATHERS" with John Wayne, an Xmass movie: should be aired during the Xmass period.

The rigid and tough-minded Ida Lupino shows us, as in Bogey's HIGH SIERRA, an excellent performance.

And.... as we now know, this film/movie is available on DVD. A very good transfer: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/FILM/DVDReviews23/film_noir_classic_collection_v3.htm

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I just saw this for the first time last night, on dvd.

I thought it was pretty darned good. Yes, the Hermann score does a lot to carry the story - those mournful sounding horns. The score definitely helped this film a lot.

Does anyone know if this music is available on a CD? There must be some Hermann compilations out there.

I really like Robert Ryan - what a great tough guy! I thought he was perfect for the part. This is kind of funny, but I was disappointed when he showed some sensitivity and even smiled, at the happy ending.

I liked Ida Lupino's performance, but really, it didn't move me that much. For my taste, it was good, she probably made the most of a relatively thankless part.

I think the story was not exactly as full as others, "thin" might be a little too harsh, but it definitely was pretty simple, linear and uncomplicated, as plots go. And it really seems like they pasted on a Hollywood happy ending, which was a little cheesy.

All in all, I'm really glad I saw it - I really enjoyed it. I would definitely recommend this to the film noir fan.

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The complete original soundtrack is available at Intrada.com, or Filmscoremonthly.com. I have a copy and it sounds great. I agree with your comments...thanks for making them.
Regards,

RSGRE

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'On Dangerous Ground's' story serves purely to deepen what is actually a character study, in Ryan's and Lupino's portrayals - essentially of two blinded souls, of alienation, loneliness. This is what makes the story itself seem "thin." This is a fine film, and its mid-point movement, its shift, from gritty oppressive to pristine oppressive mountains is brilliant; in addition to its' leads character revelation, its brief character vignettes of corrupt urban denizens and retentive suspicious mountain folk add to the profundity of the film as a character study of mankind, of the world-at-large.

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I just listened to the Film Score Monthly sountrack CD of this film, for about the third time, and for some reason, this time around it sounded just awful. It was tolerable the first two, but now, the ridiculous overscoring, and painfully overdone violin solo pieces just don't work for me anymore. This film was a total missfire...weak & diffuse film noir at best.

Regards,

RSGRE

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The scenes in the city are fantastic, with that early handheld camera stuff and the glimpse into Ryan's character, but when the story shifts to the country, it loses momentum. I also happen to not like Ida Lupino in anything, she just registers zero presence and charisma regardless of the role.



"Remind me tomorrow to buy up all the Wagner records in town and rent a chainsaw."

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I agree --- the Hermmann score is incredible, and the first half of the film is taut and edgy. When it gets to the last 30 minutes, however, where Ryan and Lupino meet, it slows to a glacial pace. I was expecting a tense, ironic film noir; this is more of a romantic picture. I appreciate that it's about alienation but it's too obvious for my taste.

Perhaps part of the problem is that it's marketed as "noir", as part of Warner's Film Noir Vol. 3 box. Both Fox and Warner are issuing a lot of films as noir that really belong to a different genre, and this is one of them.

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The ending you saw is NOT what Nicholas Ray had originally intended. Remember when Robert Ryan is (SPOILER ALERT) driving back and the film "melds" into the city? That's where the original version ended...

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I don't feel that the "happy" ending seemed rushed or phoney. It's obvious from the earlier part of the film - Jim's response to Hazel at the pharmacy, that he would like someone in his life, someone like Pop has, and in Mary he found somone. Everything in the first part of the film leads to Jim being open to a change of heart, attitude and life. He needed the perspective of distance, the journey to take him out of himself.



"The sun is not kind. God should use a rose-amber spot."

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I feel that this is one of the great film noirs ever made. One of the best scores (one thing I really like about this film actually is its heavy use of score) The atmosphere in this film is the stuff of dreams and even the smallest characters have depth. This is also one of my favorite endings ever on film. It shows everything it needs to show without dragging anything on, and I find it to be very touching. ODG - 10/10

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I have been interested in law enforcement since 5. I also just retired from being a Special Agent with INS, which after 9/11 became ICE, for 30 years. I think people in law enforcement should see this movie especially those who let the job get to them. The highlight of the movie was in the alley when Robert Ryan was attacking the man who had attacked the woman who had given information. The older man gave his speech about not letting the job get to them. To do the job as best they can but not to let it get to them. In addition, to leave the job at work, not to take it home, and get a life. Furthermore, you have to give something to get something.

When Ryan complained about only dealing with garbage and not being liked, the older man said police work IS dealing with garbage. He also said if you don't want to do that, do something else. In college, there was a saying, "If you want to be loved become a fireman".

Maybe if more cops saw this move, there would be less of them "Eating their gun".

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With regard to score, I noticed in opening titles, credit given to a musician for work on a viola d'amore. I looked it up and this relative of the viola has [besides special strings] a carved head of blindfolded love and saw a picture of the blindfolded cherub at top of instrument. What intelligence ,not only for sound but symbolism-due to blind heroine- Mr. Herrmann showed. Thought those posters who enjoyed the score might find this interesting.

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Just watched this film, part of it while I worked actually, and felt various levels of confusion.

It looked like your run-of-the-mill noir; but the music grabbed me. I thought “That’s Herrmann; or someone imitating him, because this sure as hell ain’t Hitchcock.”

I raced to imdb to look it up. Naturally I looked to see what others had to say about it.

While I sense what those speaking as devotees of the film mean to impart about the film if I had to express what’s wrong with it, in short, it would probably be that the city portion is too long and the country portion too short.


The most annoying thing about this film is that you feel it has everything it needs — great director, top-shelf actors, (even the character roles), the best (arguably) film score composer of the period, even the story has promise — but it feels like ground beef that’s been too quickly overcooked to produce a burger that takes too long to chew while threatening to crumble at every bite.

The only thing that places this film in the noir genre, in the commonly understood sense, is that we’re mired in an ugly city for most of it. We get to experience, ad nauseum, various forms of the thoughtless urban hub-bub that can make city life alternately exciting and dangerous. We understand — It’s a difficult environment for a cop who harbors aspirations to make it a better world than it ever could be.

About a half hour of that would’ve been more than enough to get across the idea of what’s happening to Ryan’s character.

But the second, rural setting, portion of the movie, the part where the hardened city cop is placed outside his normal life; down home plainspoken folk who’re short on patience with the pseudo-scientific by-the-book approach of a city cop; a poor little blind girl love interest, etc., is just too much squeezed into too little time.

Are we really supposed to believe that he becomes entirely smitten with this woman, or she with him, basically overnight?

I don’t think so.

How come city tough Ryan can’t kick the crap out of the over-zealous father out for revenge at the end of a shotgun? Is this allowed so that we could have that ridiculous mountain scape chase scene… where the murderer… I mean suspect… I mean poor misguided kid slips and falls… As in falls short of any usefulness whatsoever to the story save as a quickie ending to what was a relatively half-hearted chase to begin with.

And exactly why are we being put through this ‘poor kid isn’t really a killer. He’s just out of his gourd due to lack of oversight because his sister is blind and he feels guilt ridden about it, so he’s apt to do some quirky things… like kill someone’ routine? Is this noir, or the East Side Kids? How the hell did this scary addlepated child find his way to commit such a serious crime anyway? Why is he vicious and cunning enough to murder a stranger and elude police, but also so out of touch that he drifts off to memory lane at the drop of a hat?

It’s got the ingredients of greatness, but it opens too hard, phases sloppily, then ends too soft.

Finally, the Herrmann music felt like a pastiche of the music used throughout several Hickcock films. As a longtime Hitch fan I found it difficult to put that out of my mind while watching this film. The movie itself seemed weaker than the score. There seemed to be too much of it altogether and too much that didn’t quite fit the activity on the screen.

“Your thinking is untidy, like most so-called thinking today.” (Murder, My Sweet)

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The story is thin but the character study is strong. Ryan is a good man who has badly lost his way and most likely heading to an early grave. His assignment to the country is his last chance of redemption, with Lupino's character being a key part of that.

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