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Is this supposed to be racist?


I stumbled across this show in my youtube search of "naked black bit ches" and thought it was hilarious. Blacks are funny now (e.g. Matin Lawrence, Chris Tucker et al) but these guys are funny too. I love how black comedy has evolved from simple, "Iz Gotz mez a qwarta" to "U noe wut dey say 'bout white ppl?" It wa edgy then as it is now.

But someone told me this was racist and had blackface....Yes....Black people....have....black faces!! Duh you dumb a$$! Some people are so ignorant, like Amos and Andy, but they do it for lulz. Calling them racist is like saying The Marx brothers are anti-semetic, lol. How absurd!


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The radio version, dating back to the early 1930's, used white actors to
portray all the characters. Amos and Andy were portrayed by the series'
creators, Gosden and Correll. The movie, "Check and Double Check",
starring Gosden and Correll as Amos and Andy, presented the actors in
blackface. This movie pre-dated the radio show, and was made circa 1932.
The movie and subsequent series did present racial stereotypes, but then
so did all comedies perpetuate stereotypes of various kinds, and this
practice continues down to present day. However, the stereotypes themselves
have changed with time; yet, comedy's proclivity toward overgeneralization
and oversimplification continues nonetheless.

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I thought that Ernistene Wade and Johnny Lee worked in the radio series before the show went to television. I may be wrong, but I thought the radio cast was integrated and that black actors had to be hired to play some, but not all of the TV characters.

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Let's clear up something: The film CHECK AND DOUBLE CHECK did NOT predate the radio show. It was released in 1930 and was came about because of the radio show's immense popularity. The picture turned out to be slow, creaky and decidedly unfunny. The only reason to watch it, IMHO, is the appearance of Duke Ellington and his band.
Gosden and Correll did ALL the voices on the radio show (and wrote every script) until sometime in 1935, when they added a white actress to play Ruby, Amos's fiancee and soon-to-be wife. When the program moved to Los Angeles from Chicago in 1937, G&S began hiring outside writers, and then added a few black actors (never black writers). In Oct. 1943, the format changed from a 5-day-a-week serial to a weekly, half-hour sitcom, usually with a guest star.
What's VERY weird is that, when CBS first broached the idea of a TV version, sometime in '48, G&S thought about playing A&A in blackface like they had in the movie! Disabused of that notion, G&S decided to find a coupla "real" black performers, but would dub in their voices!!

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Ernestine Wade played Sapphire on the radio show. I don't think Johnny Lee was on the radio show. The lawyer was played by Eddie Green

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That's right. And the lawyer was Gabby Gibson, not Algonquin Calhoun on the radio show.

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Calhoun was also on the radio show and played by Johnny Lee. Both Gabby and Calhoun were on the radio show. Johnny Lee and Ernestine Wade were both on the radio and the TV series.

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Johnny Lee was not listed on the radio show cast. The lawyer was played by Eddie Green.

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The lawyer's name on the radio show was Stonewall, no first name (or no last name), played by Eddie Green.

Harry Lime

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The later Amos n Andy radio show had 3 lawyers, "Stonewall" who sounded stoned, "Gabby Gibson" who talked non-stop, and finally Johnny Lee as "Calhoun" about the time of the TV show in 1951. The 30 min. radio shows ended in 1955 and the format was changed to the AMOS 'N'ANDY MUSIC HALL which lasted until 1960 with the same supporting cast in shorter plots interspersed with current records.

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Eddie Green played the character named "Stonewall". I think Johnny Green became the lawyer when the show moved to TV and presented the all-black cast. I sure don't remember the "Gabby" character but will defer to your research
Harry Lime

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In watching the bootlegs, I realized the something. Although Kingfish was a petty con artist, the REAL con artists, criminals, sleazy types, etc. were always white. They would dupe Kingfish into something and run away laughing or sometimes they got caught. I didn't realize how groundbreaking this show was. It was the only show starring black people and they were portrayed as basically good hardworking people. The cops, store owners, businessmen, lawyers, judges, etc were usually black and were integrated in the predominately white world. It's a shame that it has such a bad reputation.

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I noticed this too. In several episodes, the biggest criminals are actually white.

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notice the homes,the cars and the clothes, everyone on the Amos & Andy tv show were well dressed drove fairly nice rather new cars and lived in nice clean apartments ,comparable to the life sytle lived by the Ricardo's and Mertz's on I Love Lucy[[filmed about the same time ,early 1950's]As with most tv of that era the dishonest guy ,Kingfish seldom was successful in his cons. Andy[ although not too bright was a decent hard working guy & Amos although not in the show much was a small business owner [he owned at least one possibly several taxi cabs]. there were 2 persons on the show which were 40'-50's hollywood sterotypical black men Lightning[the lodge janitor] and Calhoun the lawyer but WHEN compared to Fibber Mcgee [a lazy irish bullsh*tter]Gildersleeve [a german blowhard ]or Ed Norton a white anglo moron among others....the only thing one can deduce is that at that time in tv history every race or ethnic background was sterotyped not just blacks although there were a great many professional blacks in the A&A cast doctors lawyers judges etc.....but the the question that is raised was amos & andy portrayal of blacks more insulting than lets say "JJ" on Good Times George Jefferson or some of todays black comdenians, rappers or professional athletes...I am a white guy and hell we got Larry the Cable guy, Ted Kennedy and Jerry Springer and i guess every group has someone that makes their particular ethnic group look bad... Kingfish or Jim Carrey? WHICH IS A BIGGER FOOL?

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Kingfish never was successful in his cons
Au contraire...

There was an episode where a (mean) white guy has appeared to pull off a scam when, just before fade out, we see the inside of a post office box and watch a black hand turn the combination...open the door....and then watch the Kingfish pull out an envelope...smile that Kingfish smile...and kiss the envelope.

Turned out he was wise all along and had conned the conman.

This little Southern white boy cheered at this surprise ending.

That's all I remember....but heck...that was 47 years ago so it must have made some impression.

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eddie point taken changed my post to "seldom"

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In response to your comments on racism...It sounds more like your lot in life rather than the creaters of the Amos'n Andy Show. During the time, many white entertainers used the genre of "black face" to enhance their schtick. Al Jolson seems to be the person of most notariety. There were even black entertainers who wore the paint for effect. It was popular then and still is today, to portray characters in black face. Only now, it is not politicaly correct to wear the mask. Now you just need to have a sound or a move or an outfit or speak a vernacular to portray a perception of a people.
I would agree that the radio portrayal of these characters had racial overtones though the actors may have been blinded by $$$$. Once the show changed medias and real blacks were cast in the roles, they portrayed the characters with much class and pride. The public was treated to a sitcom about productive, positive and literate citizens. Each episode displayed comic relief. An opportunity for America to see herself through humor. We all know and have befriended the same characters in our own lives. It was a funny and positive show. No one cursed in the scripts. The women were respected (save for an occational mother-in-law barb). Everyone lived in nice neighborhoods. They all believed in God. Nobody was an outcast. Aside from the cigar, I don't remember anyone smoking cigarettes or drinking liquor. It was a show the entire family could watch and enjoy.
It was just ahead of the times.
You say you found an episode on youtube? Well, instead of searching for the "black bitches"...(canines can be found at the SPCA), watch the show again and learn something. LOL

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This show when originally created was to show that Black people could to lead rolls in comedy shows just as good as white people but members of the NAACP mistook things and have condemed this great show and other shows that have black people in it. I am a white man and i like this show and I feel that one of the problems we have now got in the United States still over this racial division between the Black and White people are the following- When a White producer makes certain tv shows and movies that have black people in it they are aimed at trying to show that Black people can be just as good as White people are. That is what i found out was the main idea of the Amos and Andy show because it was to show that two black men could do a comedy show just as good as white people could but the people who were in charge of the NAACP misunderstood things and condemed this show thinking that it was badmouthing the black people when it was really trying to show that Black people are equal to the white people involving acting in comedies. I beleve if this show had not came along in the 1950's then future shows like Sanford and Son would not have been thought of. I have to say that with what i have noticed lately in the last 7 years is one of the problems that is going on now involving this racial dividing is lately it has been caused by the black people musunderstanding things and taking things the wrong way. For example on this website in the message board for that new movie Transformers there have been a bunch of black people condeming it because of how a black man played the voice of the autobot Jazz. Well Scatman Crothers who is a black man was the original voice of Jazz on the 1984-1987 Transformers cartoon but sadly after the start of the third season Scatman died and Jazz had to be removed completely from the show because nobody could match his voice. Well in this new live action Transformers movie the autobot Jazz dies before the end of the movie and many black people shaking thier fists at that but the main idea of that is to respect Scatman Crothers who died before the original tv series ended. So you see right there shows how over the last 60 years members of the NAACP and other black people have been passing judgement on tv shows and movies causing some good ones like Song of the South to be banned from the store shelves in the United States just because someone misunderstands the main idea of the black actors and passes judgement on things before finding out the true main idea. So you see The Amos and Andy show's main idea was to show that back in the 1950's that black actors could play lead rolls in comedies just as good as the white actors. The movie "Song of the south" was based on events around the civil war times so the one white woman was hard on that black man because back in those times of the late 1800s it was like that but by the end of the movie when that woman's son wants to see that black man she has no choice but to apologize to him for how she treated him. I do belive also if Amos and Andy had not been put on tv later on black comideans like Flip Wilson, Redd Foxx, Whitman Mayo, Lawanda Page, Scatman Crothers,Antonio Fargas, Eddie Murphy, and the man who plays the FBI agent on Big Momma's House would not have been able to do as well because i believe that Amos and Andy where all those famous Black Actor's roll models to show that the Black actors could do just as well and sometimes better than the white actors could on tv. No white man will ever beat Redd Foxx's famous Sanford Heart Attacks. No white man would be able to do those Big Momma's house movies as good. Plus I do not know of a white comedian that could match Eddie Murphy on his movies that he has made in the last 15 years. Also Antonio Fargas is really the only true Huggy Bear. So what i am saying is other Black people should carefully watch the movies and tv shows to get the main idea of the shows instead of passing judgement on a minor thing that has a good explination.

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There is no greater re-writer of history than a group of victims who become powerful. The militantcy of the NAACP from the Fifties, through the Nineties, re-wrote so much of what popular enatertainment meant previous to THEIR generation when only portrayals of blacks that were acceptable were if they were portrayed as angry, or victims, or suffering in some such manner. It created an air of victimhood that other groups latched onto and finally, it became "fasionable" to be a victim, instead of a hero, which the first black activists, e.g. Frederick Douglass, asked blacks to be.

With that, they revised the meaning of such things as Al Jolson's use of blackface (which had NOTHING to do with minstrelsy or the degredation of the black race); Bill "I am the artbiter of truth" Cosby, who purchases the rights to "The Little Rascals" and forbids it's being shown; or, the vilification of Tim Moore, a brilliant, professional comedic actor, beloved by thousands of Americans as the great "Kingfish." Besides, they taught, blacks before 1950 were all "Uncle Tom's" and had no courage, at least notlike THEY did. Bull***t. Ask the thousands of blacks who protested in the 1890's when the play, "The Klansmen" was presented. How much courage did it take Jackie Robinson to endure what he did? Plenty, I'd bet a lot more than anyone on the Board of NAACP today has endured. Yet he and people like Sammy Davis Jr. are, believe it or not, the object of derision. Incredible.

They couldn't (or refused) to see that "Amos 'n Andy" was just the black version of "The Honeymooners." This format, the oafish, overblown, skeemer with a heart of gold, is an old one. It pervades Western European culture. It is not and never was intended to "stereotype" blacks, but PEOPLE.

Check the bio of Clarence Muse on IMBD and read what HE says about Amos 'n Andy. It is what all of us thought back then.

Unfortunately, our society has become so stupid, almost child-like, in it's knee-jerk, silly, politically correctness.

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According to Snopes.com, the story about Bill Cosby buying up the Little Rascals is what they call an "urban myth" There is no truth to it.

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