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Best dark comedy ever, undisputed


This is the father and grandfather of all black comedy -- rich, elegant, cold, calculating and emotionless. Its one of these films that I cant believe I never saw before now, its that influential and good. I find it most effective as a modern viewer, to see people in black and white film acting so vicious and wickedly. Its Patricia Highsmith meets Jane Austen with a touch of Mel Brooks. In fact, Id be surprised if Gene Wilder hadn't watched this film a few times before embarking on his career.

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I am surprised there has been no remake. I would love to see Eddie Murphy "whiten up" and play the Alec Guiness role.

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no remake should be made of this great and classic movie.
i dont like remakes, and its bad for the movie industry, they will become stagnant

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A remake would be a horrible idea joseph-johnston. Alec Guinness performs the 8 or so roles with enormous subtlety & minimal make-up (by todays standards). Even the female part. He must have been in his late 20's or so & yet plays several middle aged & older characters all with different mannerisms,accents, etc. & yet is never heavy-handed or over-acts or shows-off (which says something for the director as well).He mainly relied on his acting skills to portray the different characters rather than the elaborate latex facial prosthetics & fat suits that they use nowadays. (i.e. The Nutty Professor etc)

If they ever, God forbid, make a remake of Kind Hearts with Eddie Murphy or worse, Robin Williams, it will most assuredly end up a heavy-handed, humorless, frenetic, LOOK AT ME! LOOK-AT-ALL-THE-CHARACTERS-I-CAN-DO!latex-fest like The Nutty Professor rather than the brilliantly dry, deliciously droll black comedy on class that the original is. Why the hell mess with a perfect movie anyway?

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Remakes of Ealing Comedies just aren't a good idea. Look what happened with The Ladykillers.

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I don't know if I would call it the grandfather of all black comedy. It's the best in my opinion, but there were some well done black comedies before this. The most notable is Unfaithfully Yours which I really recommend.

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This is the father and grandfather of all black comedy -- rich, elegant, cold, calculating and emotionless.


I agree wholeheartedly. I don't think any modern film could ever duplicate its authenticity and grace. Today's vulgar cynicism precludes that from ever happening. As a result, modern black comedies focus on sarcasm rather than irony (there is a difference).

Don't get me wrong; I love modern black comedies (Delicatessen being one of my favourite films of all time). But it's refreshing to see the "old fashioned" way of doing it!

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Nothing touches this film for subtlty of humour. Guiness is incredible in his portrayal of bumbling English nobility – my favourite is the vicar. I have to say that Lady Agatha D'Ascoyne always annoyed me – Guiness overdid it, tried too hard, and it doesn't quite work – but all of the others are entirely believable. A remake would be a violation of nature itself, and would lead to bloody recriminations.

The best comedy ever, dark or otherwise, and all because it isn't played for laughs.

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Lolita is one of my favourite novels but it hasn't been transferred well to film, even with Kubrick and Sellers involved.

KHaC is my favourite film. It's only rivals in the 'dark comedy' stakes are Dr Strangelove and the Graduate. American Psycho and One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest must be up there too though.

Delighted to hear of any others that rival these?

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THE LOVED ONE (1965) is pretty good, but not in KHAC's league

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Oh I think an Eddie Murphy version would be simply hilarious! I'd probably go see it, just because I'd be morbidly curious as to how much he could butcher the original's feel. An instant camp classic.

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You would have to add the original "The Ladykillers" to that list .... and you could dissolve the original negative of the putrid, so called re-make in nitric acid while you're at it, if possible.

But you ARE Blanche ... and I AM.

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I thought Sleuth was as good as this film.

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I have to say that I prefer His Girl Friday, Network, Wise Blood and The Big Lebowski above this. There could be a few others before it too but Kind Hearts is most certainly among my top 10 black comedies.

Somebody here has been drinking and I'm sad to say it ain't me - Allan Francis Doyle

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I agree with the general thrust of your comments, though I don't know that I'd call the movie emotionless. Several of the characters seem emotionless--or, at least, their emotions are so refined and repressed that we can be forgiven for doubting that they possess them at all.

But the movie itself seems angry to me. It invites us to share Louis's sense of injustice, and to feel his rage at the way he and his mother have been treated. Indeed, by placing us so deeply into Louis's mind, it seems to invite us to share his sense that what he's doing is justified. The dark and ugly parts of him seem to be a natural outgrowth of his world: Who wouldn't react the way he does to such indignities?

Moreover, it says something frightening about this world that Louis fits into it as well as he does. He's so capable, so proficient; he seems perfectly suited to the world around him. He's not struggling to hide who he is and what he's doing; his manners and good breeding are enough to assure he won't be found out. This is a world where etiquette and charm are all that matter, and he has both in spades. In a sense, he's a good--even ideal--person, given the standards of the society in which he operates. It just so happens that he's also a serial murderer--but that sort of triviality shouldn't be weighted more heavily than his being a proper gentleman.

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Just finished watching it. Came here to say the exact same thing, but it's already been said, which I somewhat expected anyways. Definitely my vote for best black comedy.

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Before you watched it, what was your vote for best black comedy? Have you made an especial study of black comedies?

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Ha, no. I have not made an especial study of black comedies. In fact, it's a genre I tend not to like very much. I don't like Dr. Strangelove, I don't like the Coen Brothers' films, etc. The reason why this film stands out to me because not only did I enjoy it and think it was so well done, but it feels so.. black. Many black comedies are also dramas, but Kind Hearts and Coronets, to me, feels like nothing but a black comedy. There's no other words to describe it.

To what my vote was before I saw this film, I don't really know. No film stood out to me before this one. Either American Psycho or Office Space probably, I know those are both weak choices, but just goes to show I don't really care for the genre.

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