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goof in the chaplains service


Did anyone else notice the black soldier in the 101st uniform during the chaplain's sermon? I'm not sure, but I don't think there were any black soldiers in the 101st in World War II.

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He actually wasn't in the 101st. His shoulder insignia indicates a service command I believe. There were a lot of black soldiers involved with the moving of men and material. They were part of what was called the Redball Express.
He was probably trapped there with the rest once Bastogne was encircled.

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He is wearing a third army patch.

Which is pretty weird since Patton commanded third army and they hadn't arrived at Bastogne by that point in the movie.

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There were black troops in the Battle of the Bulge. They were not in the 101st, but the Germans captured hundreds of African-Americans during the battle and used them in a Nazi propaganda news reel.

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"Did anyone else notice the black soldier in the 101st uniform during the chaplain's sermon? I'm not sure, but I don't think there were any black soldiers in the 101st in World War II."

In his personal account of the Battle of the Bulge, Seven Roads to Hell: A Screaming Eagle at Bastogne, Donald R. Burgett (506th PIR), states that "We were aided only by a couple of battalions of the 9th and 10th Armored Divisions, one platoon of TDs of the 705th Tank Destroyer Battalion, and one battery of 155s manned by Negro artillerymen of the 969th Artillery Battalion."

So, yeah, there were black combatants (I haven't heard anything about service troops, but these guys were definitely Redlegs) in the Bastogne garrison with the 101st Airborne Division. "Long Tom" battalions being either Corps or Army assets, it might be entirely possible that their shoulder patches would designate them as 3rd Army troops, especially if they came into Bastogne along with 10th Armored Division (one of the first units Patton sent to aid VIII Corps) or if they had been attached to VIII Corps before the onset of Wacht Am Rein. Bear in mind that Bastogne was the location of VIII Corps HQ at the time of the German offensive.


Oh good! My dog found the chainsaw!

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Interesting info on the artillery troops. I didn't realize they were there during that time.
Thanks.

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Morgan Freeman's doing some project about an all black Tank Destroyer Battalion isn't he?

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Yup

Morgan Freemen has an ongoing project about an all Black Regiment/Battalion that served during WW2. Another great made for TV movie that Morgan Freeman produced is about the Port Chicago Mutiny.

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A brief clarification. The 969th Field Artillery Battalion was an 155mm M-1 howitzer battalion, not a Long Tom battalion. It was part of the 333rd Field Artillery Group, which was a corps artillery organization of VIII Corps. VIII Corps, however, was part of First Army until December 20, when it was switched to Third Army to facilitate control of the relief operation. CCB of the 10th Armored was the only major Third Army unit in Bastogne before the switch of army assignments.

The 969th absorbed the remnants of the 333rd Field Artillery Battalion, also an all-black unit and part of the 333rd FA Group (along with the 771st Field Artillery Battalion, a white 155mm howitzer unit), which had been shot up supporting CCR of the 9th Armored Division on December 19. The combined battalion, designated the 969th FA, earned the Distinguished Unit Citation for its devotion to duty during the siege of Bastogne.

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There was a combat engineer battalion in the Bastogne area. It was the 31st Engr. Bn (Combat). All the enlisted men were African American since the military was still segregated at that time.

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"black soldier in the 101st uniform"

The military was segregated, but the filmmakers want to gloss over that, I would think. Still, in the mess of battle in that area, it's very possible that black troops really could have been standing side by side at some generic 'service'.

The thing that you're missing is that while they did have such generic 'services', that became more the thing after the war, I think. What you see during the war are photos of Catholics, for example, hearing Mass and receiving The Eucharist from an actual Catholic priest - not some Lutheran 'switch-hitting', as the script says. Look at film footage of Iwo. There's a Catholic priests, straddling a collapsing trench on the black sand, risking getting shot by a Japanese sniper, giving Communion to Catholic troops who kneel before him, and make the Sign of the Cross after he places The Eucharist on their tongue. That's actual historical film footage. And you see a lot of still photos of the same, around the world in various theaters during WWII.

So, a lot of revisionism. It just struck me as being phony.

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Maybe it's revisionist, but you've not made a solid case for it. I do know that on warships such as the ill fated Indianapolis, the ship's Chaplain gave counsel to boys of whatever faith (and after giving Mass to the Catholic guys, assisted the ship's Doc who led the Protestant services)

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The patch on the black soldier's sleeve is 3d Army. I don't happen to know if 3d Army had soldiers there in Bastogne, or if the 969th Arty was part of that division. Being a rear echelon type unit, that is, if based in Bastogne, they would be a stationary unit, rather than mobile like the 101, and as such might have dispatched someone from their motor pool to drive the Chaplain around. Also, generic services were in fact done in this theater and war. The photo of Chaplains giving communion, is not unique, but could have been a Catholic Chaplain or any of the other denominations. Of course we have to remember that this is just a movie, and of a fictitious Battalion and Company (No third Battalion or companies therein in the 327 Infantry at that time).
I served with the 1/327 in 1968-69.

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