IMDb, this is NOT a film noir
Please stop abusing that category.
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Don't need to,
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What an astute observation, as it reflects directly upon you, once again. Do you not "get it"? Thank you so very much, for caring so much about what I say. I am flattered. I have a fan!!!
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So fast!!! You don't even read YOUR own posts.You can't look away!!!! THANK YOU.
shareNot sure what anyone else was replying to you. But this film is in many lists as Film Noir. Don't remember if I've seen it myself, but a number of elements including the title itself are typical of Film Noir.
shareJust because it is on a bunch of lists, and has a noirish title, it does not make a film a "noir." So much misinformation is perpetuated on the Internet. Plus, film sites have started mislabeling movies at an alarming rate. Yes, some will debate this one. But a late 40s movie with night scenes can just as easily be a melodrama, especially when considering that this is a Douglas Sirk product. "Film Noir" is a very unique genre, and not a catch-all.
shareWhile you seem obsessed with this topic, do you have any evidence to back your assertion?
Wikipedia describes film noir as "shot in black and white, and featured stories involving femmes fatales, doomed heroes or anti-heroes, and tough, cynical detectives." This movie is black and white. Daphne is a femme fatale. Don Ameche plays the doomed anti-hero, and Raymond Burr is the detective. All the elements are there.
Filmsite lists this on their page of classic film noir http://www.filmsite.org/titles-filmnoir.html
As you already pointed out, imdb lists this as film noir.
If you have logical reasons to state this is not film noir, put them down. However, to keep insisting this is not film noir because you say so will not convince anyone.
IMDb is hardly a professional conclusion. This film is a melodrama, not a film noir.
Black and white, femme fatale do not a noir make.
Your proclamation is just as inconclusive of what you claim that I am saying.
"This film is melodrama, not a film noir. Black and white, femme fatale do not a noir make"
Yes, I agree, there are differences in the two, but I think the previous poster wanted you to elaborate on what elements distinguish a melodrama from a film noir.
They can Google it.
shareI'm not trying to be rude when I write this. I am really not. But why start a message thread on this if you don't intend on discussing WHY it's not a film noir? It's a discussion board after all. I'd be genuinely interested to read in what ways you would define a film noir and how it differs from melodrama. It's an interesting topic film scholars debate, so why not use this discussion board as a way to educate people on the distinctions between the two?
The thread you started is an interesting topic, Ripshin.
Of course, if you're dead set on not discussing the differences between film noir and melodrama on the thread you started, at least suggest some credible (read: scholarly) sources people can go to where they can be enlightened.
What website do you think the majority of people frequent when they do a quick Google search? Wikipedia, sadly.
Ripshin, I agree that there are far too many titles included on various film noir lists which don't belong there but this is not one of them. "Film Noir Guide" (2003) by Michael F. Kearney mentions its noir themes of betrayal, obsession, and "woman in jeopardy". Also "Film Noir The Encyclopedia" (2010) Silver, Orsini, and Ward states "Sleep, My Love adds the noir elements of drugs, hypnosis, nightmares, and seemingly innocent but dangerous circumstance to its melodramatic plot of adultery and wife murder."
As a viewer of countless noirs, this certainly "feels" like one to me. I find it helpful to define noir as a style rather than a genre, so melodramas may or may not fall into the noir category.
Finally, even those film scholars regarded as "noir experts" don't always agree on what is or isn't noir so there are no "written in stone" rules.
Excuse me for talking while you're interrupting.
While I understand your points, I don't see it as a noir, regardless of the guides. I agree that many films may have some noir elements, as they stated, but I suppose that I adhere more closely to the "pure noir" concept.
I believe that noir is a specific genre. My time at USC's Critical Film Studies as a grad student (80s) has perhaps made me intolerant of variations.
So many black and white melodramas have been added to the genre, decades later, and it has reached a level where "noir" is meaningless as a term.
I am not a Noir purist but I would say that Daphne (Hazel Brooks) would be at home in a Noir movie. OK, that by itself does not make this Noir. There are so many cross-boundary movies and the IMDb contributors are very aware of this.
I consider myself a mystery fan above all other categories. This movie also lists the mystery category. But we are aware what is going on fairly soon into the movie. So strictly whodunnit fans may not go for this particular film. The mystery may contain how the dilemma is going to pan out in movies like this. And the slow drip of reveals during the course of the film. So this movie still satisfies me as a mystery fan. Even though I know it is a cross-boundary piece.
i think it qualifies.
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