'Busby Boys'


I enjoyed this movie. I wondered, though, if the book Dick Powell's character John reads to his son ("The Busby Boys") is a sly reference to Busby Berkeley, who choreographed so many of the wacky musicals that Dick Powell acted/starred in. Anyone else thinks this is a possibility? Also, plot-wise, Mona could have told her ex-con boyfriend that Mac was just lying about John being her lover, and convinced him that there was no truth to that. But, of course, then there's be no climax and denouement...(Just sayin')...

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That's an interesting thought.

As a book collector I think the dust jacket on the book is using a standard illustration that was used for a lot of book covers in the 20's and 30's on boys adventure stories, especially boy scout ones.

And what was little Billy reading? Sounds like pre code, EC comics, like Crypt of Evil, with lots of blood and gore in them.

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I thought that, too. And I think the excerpt Forbes was reading to his son was pretty lame. I don't blame the young boy for preferring comics.



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I believe I caught the cover of The Flash Comics on the top of the pile when Jane Wyman picked them up. EC Comics didn't really reach their peak until the early 50's, ( I wonder what comics she was referring to?). Loved the movie, BTW. Lizabeth Scott was such a hottie and Dick Powell once again was impressive and agree with what someone mentioned earlier, Raymond Burr was great - the best heavy in noir.

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Yes, that's The Flash on top. I saw an Archie Comics in there too.

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I enjoyed this movie. I wondered, though, if the book Dick Powell's character John reads to his son ("The Busby Boys") is a sly reference to Busby Berkeley, who choreographed so many of the wacky musicals that Dick Powell acted/starred in. Anyone else thinks this is a possibility?

D'OH! That little in-joke completely slipped by me!

"The Busby Boys" is an obvious take-off off of The Hardy Boys series of adventure / mystery novelletes for kids. I think the boy was a little young for that kind of reading material, which I believe to be aimed at a readership of boys between ages 10 and 15.

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Glad you agree about the "in-joke," and that you enjoyed it! I love it when I can spot stuff like that (assuming that it was an intentional in-joke)! Cheers!

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I agree, the Hardy Boys are aimed at older children, and if my memory isn't betraying me, the chapters were too long for a bedtime story. They were meant to be read by the child himself. Or herself, as in my case. I always preferred boys' books. I hated most of the books written for girls, like that Enid Blyton stuff. Mallory Towers, the twins at St. Claire's, and so on.


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What about Nancy Drew? And her crossover adventures with the Hardy Boys? :-)

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I think I would have liked Nancy Drew…but unfortunetely, most of my books were passed down from my sister who was 7 years older, I had to adjust to her. She loved St. Claire's, she even had the ghostwritten "lost years" books. I also tried myself at my mother's books, but to be honest, while at age 14 I felt very much like an adult, I was still lacking the maturity to understand Steinbeck's books. My mother bought a lot of books for my younger brother…because she wanted him to improve his reading skills. She bought very good young adult fiction for him, I loved his books, which I secretly took from his cabinet. But reading simply wasn't his passion, he preferred to go fishing. That's why Mom got him a little paperback of "The old man and the sea", which I loved. It got me hooked on Hemingway.

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Does anybody remember Trixie Beldon?
btw: Pitfall is a great movie!

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I don't. What kind of book was that? Or was it a series?
I agree, Pitfall was great, it is among my favorites. I think it is a movie that actually benefits from production obstacles. Indeed, the subject matter is not exactly production code-friendly, but they managed to skirt it…which works fine for me. We all know how it is done, we don't really need to see it. Another obstacle was that originally Bogie was supposed to play Mac, but that de Toth did not want him for that part. I think it was a great idea to cast Burr instead, it gave the movie a whole new identity. If Bogie had played Mac, everybody would have wondered why Mona did not run off with him. Bogie played many sleazy characters, but eventually every woman thinks he's great.
The 'Busby Boys' sound really bad, BTW. The excerpt Johnny reads to his son sounds like really bad writing: "…the fun-loving Busbys, and with perfect coordination they dove behind…" No wonder his wife is tired of the Busby Boys.

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The Trixie Beldon mysteries were a series that was sort of a rip-off of Nancy Drew. Trixie and her friends weren't detectives, they were just regular girls who happened across different exciting adventures. And they had horses!

Pitfall is one of my favorites, too. What I really appreciate is the realism of the characters. I totally buy Dick Powell as the disillusioned, sarcastic husband, and although she was a little too pretty, I think Jane Wyatt did a great job as the wife. And Lizabeth Scott--people tend to dismiss her acting, but I think she was totally believable as the woman who keeps choosing the wrong man. I know women just like her! She was also great in The Strange Love of Martha Ivers, playing a not-too-bright waif who lives by her wits.

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Horses, eh? They were clearly ahead of their time. When I was a child, most books featuring young people and horses were written for boys. By the time my generation started to have kids, bookstores started to seperate books for girls into "horse" and "non-horse" books. I had a horse, as a child, by the way, and I was very fond of her. But I never got into any adventures. I was a bit upset that the adults (including my mother) were never tired criticizing books about amateur juvenile detectives (like the Three Investigators, for example), because they were so "unrealistic". But at the same time, the adults were watching cop shows on TV that were just as unrealistic, except that the protagonists were adults.

I agree that the characters in Pitfall are realistic. All of them. I've met several women who were like Mona. They were gorgeous women who could have virtually every man available…but unknowingly always chose one bad ones. Over and over again.
Guys like Mac aren't that rare, either. Throughout my life I've met several men who believed persistence is the key. My opinion, however, is that a woman decides within minutes, sometimes even seconds, whether she likes a guy or not. There must have been a reason why Mona chose the mousy John over Mac…maybe it's a pheromone thing, who knows.
I liked that they gave Forbes a beautiful wife instead of a repulsive hag. Nothing in John's life is bad per se. His job is better than hundreds of other occupations, his wife is beautiful, and although she is strong-willed and not easily intimidated, she doesn't bully him either. There's nothing wrong with his son, either. How many children actually ask there father "Is there anything you want me to do today, Dad?" before they leave for school? No, the problem is within John Forbes himself, and his affair with Mona is pure escapism. Mona definitely deserved better, but Smiley and Mac would make poor choices, too. In the case of Mac, it was probably Mona's instinct that warned her, but her instinct must have been out of order when she was around Johnny or Smiley.


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JudyLaHara, rosaryplier: I'm thoroughly enjoying this thread and the exchanges between the two of you,

I had the good pleasure to see The Strange Loves of Martha Ivers few years ago and I thought Barbara Stanwyck, Van Heflin, Kirk Douglas and Lizabeth Scott were all terrific in this tale of long-buried sordid deeds coming back to haunt Stanwyck and Douglas; impressive film debut for Douglas, too; and the criminally underrated Van Heflin gave his usual solid performance.

As for Pitfall, I've become, in recent years, quite the aficiando for Dick Powell flicks and how he re-invented himself from pretty-boy crooner of thirties musicals to one of Hollywood's potboiler kings!

I felt badly for Lizabeth Scott's character and felt Powell's character should have gone to bat for her more than he had done by movie's end. Nevertheless, a very satisfying viewing experience with a taut script and multi-dimensional characterizations.

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I felt badly for Lizabeth Scott's character and felt Powell's character should have gone to bat for her more than he had done by movie's end. Nevertheless, a very satisfying viewing experience with a taut script and multi-dimensional characterizations.

I agree, it is a bummer which definitely doesn't make the ending a happy ending. In fact, Powell's character is the only one of the four active characters who leaves the story alive and well, and this sucks even more if we consider he initiated the whole thing. Everybody of the four makes questionable choices, and with the exception Johnny, they pay bitterly for it. Mona chooses to leap into bed with a man she barely knows…and in the end she might be heading for the gas chamber. Smiley chooses to pay Johnny a visit with a gun and pays for it with his life. Mac takes the old saying "All is fair in love and war" to the extreme and ends up with two bullets in his gut. Johnny started the whole mess. If he hadn't chosen to have an affair with Mona, he would never have had to shoot Smiley. Smiley's death leads to Mona shooting Mac, which in turn will have bitter consequences for Mona. But in the end, Johnny is off the hook legally, and his wife chooses to stay with him. Of course, her motives are not entirely altruistic, she does it for herself, too, because she wants Johnny, her, and her son to remain a family. But still, he gets the lightest punishment of all…


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Hi, vindici; hi rosarypliers!

I agree that the end of Pitfall is everything noir should be: ironic, depressing, ambiguous and bleak. Really bleak. I get the feeling that they might try hard, but John and Sue Forbes are not gonna make it. As soon as she recovers from the fact that he cheated on her, Sue is gonna notice that her husband is such a coward and a liar that he killed a man rather than face the truth. The really creepy thing is, though, that the audience can relate to Johnny's behavior, right down the line--what a stupid fool, how could he (I) have been so insane?!

On one hand I hope that gruesome Mac is dead; on the other, it would be easier on Mona (whose irrational behavior we also can relate to), if he lives...or would it? Hm. Anyway, after hearing her side of the story corroborated by Johnny, maybe the courts will go light on her, but maybe not, since as classic movie lovers know, there is no criminal worse that a woman who has extra-marital sex!

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Imagine a jury of male chauvinists and sexually repressed housewives...nobody would be able to relate to her. Damn.

Did you notice that, according to her set-card, Mona is only 23 years old? She looks and behaves older, but it's still pretty young. I think she felt attracted to Johnny because he treated her with respect, unlike Mac and Smiley, who treat her like property. She does have a certain pride, that's why she doesn't want to be a married man's mistress...or Gruesome's moll, for that matter.

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If you ever want to read the novel, do not read the rest of this message (book spoiler warning):







Strangely enough, in Jay Dratler's novel, it's Johnny who gets punished by the law, Mona gets off scott-free, and Mac, who Mona doesn't know has manipulated all this, gets a chance to pursue Mona--without getting shot. So I think the book is even darker than the movie, because it places society at the helpless mercy of a very corrupt and self-serving police system.

Jay Dratler was a good writer--he did the screenplay of Laura.

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Hmmm...would have been difficult to get that past the censors. However, one of the promotional images for the movie seems to hint at such an ending...it has Mac and Mona reading a newspaper together, and the headline is: John Forbes held in slaying. -- A deliberate red herring, or an alternative ending?

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I do! She was younger and less sophisticated than the venerable Nancy Drew. IIRC, had a friend named Honey Wheeler which sounds like a Hollywood starlet name (or a stripper).

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I agree Mona could have lied herself, but she didn't seem the type. She didn't know he was married, and then took the high road. It would have been out of character for her to lie. She even mentioned the boat. What's odd is that her boyfriend knew she wasn't a liar, so why didn't he believe her when she said it was over? That he-man bonding is weird sometimes. Edit: in this movie, the men hurt each other.

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