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Hitchcock's Best Film


I love all of Hitchcock's other classics, but Notorious is the very definition of a perfect film. Thrills, romance, humor, and compelling drama. You get it all in this film

And the direction in this film! I've hardly ever seen a director use a camera as perfectly as Hitchcock does here. Only in certain films (2001, Once Upon A Time in the West, I Am Cuba, The Trial, Persona, to name a few) do I actually rewind the film mid jaw drop to rewatch a stunning shot. Hitch elevates the suspense film to a level of artistry that no one can touch and entertains the hell out of me.

This is what cinema is.

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Agree 110%

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I agree definitely one Hitchcoks best!!! Timeless!!!

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I didn't like it. I found the relationship between Grant and Bergman was a tad unbelievable. I don't know why they love eachother. They met while drunk and next thing you know they can't resist eachother.

I also found the search for the what the guy was hiding to be long and boring and I never really had the tension hit me.

I also don't really like the ending. He walks up picks her up and leaves? Kind of anti-climactic to me.

It wasn't that bad. Acting was great, and the direction was good. The scene in the cellar was good. But overall, it didn't leave a lasting impression with me. It's a shame because I love Grant, Bergman and Hitchcock. Maybe it just wasn't for me

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i think you missed a thing or two....

they don't meet while drunk. she may be since it's at her party, but he's probably not since he's a government agent sent to recruit her. and who could blame them for finding each other irresistable? he's cary grant! she's ingrid frickin' bergman! the two most irresistable people on the planet!

and the ending is one of the best ever. you focused on those two and missed how desperate alex and his mother are to stop them, because their lives depend on doing so, but their inability to act which would also give them away. it's a great scene because it threatens to break out into violence at any moment, which would be soooo cliche, but ends with alex meekly walking back up the steps to be "talked to".

claude rains is every bit as good in this as he is in casablanca (though without quite as many clever lines), and is probably the reason this is my favorite hitchcock film.

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ya, see I don't think it just being Grant and Bergman (two of my favorites) is enough to make me believe they could fall in love so quickly. Especially because he is a government agent whom she should not be fond of.

And at the end I didn't get why Alex didn't kill both of them and then just lie to the other Nazi's that are there.

It wasn't a bad film. There was more than enough good things than bad. But I didn't find the story to be as good as Grant's, Bergman's or Hitchcock's talent.

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It's way up there but I give the edge to Vertigo.

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kooldude,

Putting the love story aside, I can't imagine how anyone could find the ending dull. It was so suspenseful. When Alex tuns and walks back into the house, I actually felt for him. A tragic figure.

I guess it's like looking at clouds. You see one thing and I see another. Peace.

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But that's the point: Hitch made much more thrilling movies than "Notorious" which to me felt rather lame and not compelling at all. Maybe for a 10 year old kid who watches a thriller for the very first time it might be compelling, but not if you have watched much more suspenseful movies by Hitchcock before and then of course you can't help to compare.

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Alex didn't kill them because he is not a killer. He is a sympathetic villian - we almost like him more than Grant and it is his mother than poisons Alicia not him. We are a little sad that he will probably get killed by the other Nazis who are probably real killers.

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claude rains is every bit as good in this as he is in casablanca (though without quite as many clever lines), and is probably the reason this is my favorite hitchcock film.


He's better here than in Casablanca. In Casablanca we have a caricature (a good one) but in here we have a real character.

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K00ldude missed one important thing. They were attracted to each other even when they were in Miami... Alicia finds Devlin irresistible from the beginning otherwise she wouldn't have said yes to the assignment. Don't you think so? She shows her despise for the term 'patriotism' as a reason to do it!! How else would you explain her willingness to consider and later saying yes?
AND they spend about 8 days waiting for Sebastian to come back to Brazil (plus rem their discussion at the open air bar where Devlin talks about.. how she has been away from drinks for 8 days? They left the very next day they met at the party where she gets drunk so those 8 days are spent in Rio, just two of them!) Hitchcock is a master in weaving complex tales flawlessly and dare you to question him on that? theres enough natural progression and laws of attraction applied in their romance.. nothing was jumpy or obviously convoluted. You need to watch it again to appreciate the brilliance this movie has.

And to the main post, I cannot agree more!! the kissing scenes were so powerful... the camera shots made me understand why kissing scenes these days have not even 1% sensorial appeal anymore!! Hitchcock is certainly up there with Kubrick and Welles!

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Yeah, what ccs said, pretty well sums up my feelings on the film.

This was one Hitchcock film I hadn't seen, and I finally got around to it this week. Not a bad film, but far from Hitch's best. A romance that resembles a high school crush, some clunky dialog, and an ending that is under-whelming to say the least - those are the warts. Bergman's performance and Toland's camerawork are the main pluses.

On my list of Hitchcock's best, "Notorious" would be lucky to sneak into the #10 spot. 1-10 I'd give it a 6.

Just for the record, my favorite Hitchcock films:

Rear Window
North By Northwest
Psycho


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. Bergman's performance and Toland's camerawork are the main pluses.


It was not shot by Toland.

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I felt the same. Very boring. Not compelling like most Hitchcock movies.

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k00ldude wrote: "I don't know why they love eachother. They met while drunk and next thing you know they can't resist eachother."

Because both of them were utterly irresistible.

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I think in terms of emotional impact and pacing, this film certain had problems. I had trouble buying Devlin and Alicia's romance, especially when almost all of their their encounters were very brief. Their attraction towards each other seemed very forced as well: They went mountain hiking and all of a sudden Grant kisses Bergman, and we are supposed to believe he loves her? Then, there was there beginning part where I felt that Alicia's background wasn't that properly established: We had a series of short scenes with Alicia in the US, and we quickly arrived at Brazil where she's supposed to carry out her spy activities.

However, I think I safely say that this film contains one of most visual motifs amongst all other Hitchcock film. The themes of trust, alcoholism, loyalty were very interesting to say the least.

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We didn't see all their interactions - a film is just a representation of the key interactions, a summary. They were in Rio for 8 days just by themselves. A lot of people don't seem to realize that sometimes you are just instantly attracted to someone, their style, their voice etc, and they are the most beautiful couple ever assembled in the same movie together. I've got a poscard of them embracing showing their faces - just amazing.

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I think all-around PSYCHO is more compelling both plot-wise and aesthetically, but I'd rank NOTORIOUS as perhaps his third best (after REBECCA).
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I think it's a good movie, but I think it's trying to be too "political and big". I would have liked it more if it was more "personal". I had kind of the same problem with The Man Who New to Much and Topaz (but not the same type of movies of course). The brazil/nazi/metal pounder in the bottle ting made it less interesting on a personal level, and reduced the romance and suspense imo.

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I love hitchcock and most of his films, but I actually thought this was his worst film in my opinion. I also didn't buy the romance and didn't feel any connection to the characters. The story wasn't that interesting either and I didn't feel any tension. The music was awful and repetitive.

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That's exactly how I feel about Vertigo. No chemistry between them, and neither were likable. Kim Novak was so wooden, couldn't see her as the object of an obsession. I just didn't care about them at all.

I guess it's like looking at clouds. You see one thing and I see another. Peace.

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The direction, yes, from minute to minute, blows my mind. Hitchcock's manifold deployment of technique might be unmatched. Each scene promises new glimpses into this director's understanding of cinema. And in addition, he gets fine performances from his actors. Quite unlike anybody else.

But, for me, nothing about this film is close to perfect.

My rating: 8

After watching this, The Lady Vanishes and Vertigo (which I do consider a masterpiece), I can't help but wonder how Hitchcock viewed himself during these earlier (30's and 40's) periods of his career. Did he consider himself an artist? Or merely a highly skilled craftsman? I ask because while Notorious overflows with the highest pedigree of filmmaking, frequently weak plot points tarnish the whole for me. Take Alicia's diminutive note of sadness after learning of her father's death. The paucity of depth supplied by Hitchcock in relating this seismic event leads me to believe he had no illusions about his creation: An entertaining thriller.

I also find the film's score interesting. Hitcock uses the swelling music sparingly, which I am thankful for because these early film scores sicken me, but at the same time I can't help but wonder how Hitchcock feels about the music? It's as though he cues the music to cue the romance, and then goes a step further by having his actors utter sly lines while the syrup plays (likely misquoted):

"Why do you like the song?"

"Because it's a love song, and love songs are always silly."

He's laughing at his film's bad taste, right?



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I really loved the film, I thought Cary Grant's performance good and Ingrid Bergman's was great for sure. As for the story, it was very good, of course, and I thought the ending was great (although I can understand why some people complain about it.)

I wouldn't say it was my favorite, though. As much as I love Notorious, North by Northwest, and (many of you will disagree) Torn Curtain, I still think Hitchcock's best works are the ones that focus on... how can I put this? Things like murder, rather than his espionage films (which are also great). My favorite Hitchcock films are, in order:

1) Psycho
2) Rear Window
3) Vertigo
4) Dial 'M' For Murder
5) Strangers On A Train.

Within the espionage films of his:

1) North By Northwest
2) Notorious
3) The Man Who Knew Too Much (I mean the remake, I haven't seen the British version yet)
4) Torn Curtain.

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The storyline kept me entertained through out, which makes Notorious one of my favorite Hitchcock films. Grant and Bergman's chemistry was fantastic along with Claude Rains giving an excellent performance as the jealous partner which made for a great complex romance. The attention to certain elements of mise en scene such as the key and coffee cups were an great touch to the film as these motifs played on the spectator's suspense and suspicions.

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Sorry but if you don't think that this is not only one of Hitchcock's best films but one of the best films ever made, then you don't understand cinema. This is one of those "perfect" films....Ebert for years ranked it Hitchcock's best. Everything in this "thriller" is about the characters, a mark of a great film. Hitchcock's direction is flawless...the ending on the stairs is perfect, original and devastating. The romance is totally believable, of course, it's a movie so establishing scenes are enough to convince you of their attractive to each other. Grant gives one of his best performances and Bergman will be remembered for this film. It's a masterpiece. I LOVE Rebecca, but this is a much better film.

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My favorite Hitch movies are in this order

1. Vertigo
2. North by Northwest
3. To catch a Thief
4. I Confess
5. The Man who knew too much
6. Shadow of a Doubt
7. Rear Window
8. Rope
9. The Trouble with Harry
10. Marnie
11. Rebecca
12. Suspicion
13. Strangers on a Train
14. Torn Curtain
15. Psycho
16. The Lady Vanishes
17. Young and Innocent
18. The 39 Steps
19. Lifeboat (which is not old-fashioned at all and definitely worth watching!)
20. Family Plot

I never cared for "Jamaica Inn", "Under Capricorn", "The Paradine Case", "Spellbound", "The Wrong Man", "Stage Fright", "The Birds" or "Notorious".

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It's arguably one of his best films.

So many people are divided when it comes to Hitchcock's work - the good, the bad, the best; the opinions are just all over the place.

For me, it's definitely in the top 5.




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