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MY FAV FILM NOIR EVER!!


I know sunset blvd, double indemnity, the third man, touch of evil, maltese falcon, out of the past, the big sleep, etc are classics and yes i too love these movies listed, i own most of them...

BUT for me, the mix of a love story, a thriller, a film noir, a drama, a musical, the chemistry between the two lead characters, and simply the beauty of rita hayworth make this for me the ultimate noir. If your a fan of the genre, you should definitely check out this film.

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I agree.

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hmm, I have problems with Gilda being referred to as a "film noir." I mean sure it borrows from the genre but it is hard to classify Hayworth as your typical femme fatale.Her star persona contradicts too many elements of it. However, it is also because of this that I find Gilda so fascinating.

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Film noirs don't have to have femme fatales; they can have "nurturing women." Just think of Laura. But yes, the standard is the femme fatale.

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One word: PERFECT!

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Isn't Rita Hayworth's Gilda the archtypal femme fetale? I've read that she is.

Made even more complex due to RH's intricate star persona of the 1940s.

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I don't regard Rita's "Gilda" as an archetypical femme fatale at all. Femme fatales tend to be rotten to the core and usually lead their male protagonists inexorably to their doom, e.g. Ann Savage in "Detour"; Jane Greer in "Out of the Past"; Barbara Stanwyck in "Double Indemnity"; Marie Windsor in "The Killing"; Mary Astor in "The Maltese Falcon"; Jeanne Cagney in "Quicksand," etc., etc.

Gilda is actually a very sweet lady. She and Johnny torture each other pretty equally throughout the movie. Gilda is just trying to make Johnny jealous because she still carries a torch for him, not because she has some nefarious plan up her sleeve like all of the above mentioned fatales.

That said, "Gilda" does have many noir elements and is one of my favorite films as well. In fact, my wife's name is "Gilda," and I had the privilege of meeting Glenn Ford shortly before he passed away.

But the "Gilda" character is quite opposite to a true fatale.

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I agree with every single argument made by ¨oversplayer.¨

I´d like to add that Gilda´s only resemblance with that of a femme fatale is that she acts like one without being so. Contrary to the femme fatale image she mischievously portrays, she is a woman true to her heart and soul.

I think ¨Gilda¨ is my favorite film of all times.

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In no way, shape, or form is the character of Gilda a femme fatale.

Obviously, the star caliber of the actress playing the part has absolutely nothing to do with whether her character is a femme fatale. Stanwyck was a huge star in 1944, and Phyllis Dietrichson was unquestionably a femme fatale.

If anyone wants to see Rita Hayworth play a femme fatale, watch "The Lady From Shanghai."

But Hayworth's star quality in 1946 is irrelevant to the fact that Gilda was obviously not a fatale.

Femme fatales are wicked, amoral, deceptive, greedy, mendacious, frequently violent temptresses. They oftenlead overmatched men to their doom. Probably the definitive femme fatale was Jane Greer as Kathie Moffat in "Out of the Past." In addition to repeatedly doublecrossing both of them men in her life (Robert Mitchum and Kirk Douglas)and playing them off against each other, she steals $40,000.00 and commits three murders (that we know of).

Now THAT is a femme fatale.

"Gilda" is merely a love struck young woman who flirts with several men to make her boyfriend jealous. There is nothing criminal whatsoever about her behavior. A true fatale invariably is, or could be, prosecuted for actual criminal conduct (if her crime(s) are discovered), e.g. Phyllis Dietrichson, Kathie Moffat, Sherry Peatty (Marie Windsor) in "The Killing," Annie Laurie Starr (Peggy Cummins) in "Gun Crazy," Paula Craig (Janis Carter) in "Framed," etc.

A film does not have to have a femme fatale to be a film noir, e.g. "The Asphalt Jungle," "He Walked By Night," "The Hitch-Hiker," "The Racket," "Night and the City," "Kiss of Death," etc., etc., etc.

"Leave Her to Heaven" had obvious noir elements, including a vintage femme fatale, even though it was filmed in color. And "Gilda" had an abundance of noir elements even though it did not have a femme fatale.

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Mine TOO

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That's because the movie, "Gilda," is most definitely a film noir. But the character, Gilda, is most definitely NOT a femme fatale. For a definitive, albeit over-the-top, femme fatale see Jean Gillie in "Decoy."

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I like Gilda, primarily (like most people) for the incredible sexual perfomance by Rita Hayward. However, "sunset blvd, double indemnity, the third man, touch of evil, maltese falcon, out of the past, the big sleep" are all far greater films. I would say it is more noir than not, looking at its athmosphere, shooting style, and basic situation. However, it is certainly far from a pure example of noir, particularly because of the ending. It is a far too conventional and relatively happy ending to be considered noir. (The same criticism largely applies to The Big Sleep also, though that film is far more noirish overall than Gilda). Finally, as great as Rita Hayward is in this film, she is in no way a noir femme fatale. Not only does she never connive at murder (or any other crime), she is not even close to being all bad. In fact, at the end of the film it is suggested that she is almost all good when the detective (improbably) states that Hayward never actually committed any of the many implied acts of adultery, it was all just an act to make Glenn Ford jealous. (Admittedly, this may have been required by the Hays Office; I'm amazed they allowed much of what survived in the movie.) The sine qua non od femme fatales is that they be "cold around the heart,' as Robert Mitchum memorably described Rhonda Fleming in Out of the Past (and it is one measure of that film's greatness that Fleming is only a very junor femme fatale to Jane Greer, the ultimate femme fatale). The heart of Hayward's character is not even chilly. If you want to see some femme fatales, try these: Barbara Stanwyck (Double Indemnity and, in a very different take, The Strange Love of Martha Ivers), Claire Trevor (Murder, My Sweet), Ava Gardner (The Killers), Yvonne De Carlo (Criss Cross), Jane Greer and Rhonda Fleming (Out of the Past), Audrey Totter (Tension).

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"What happened to men who smoked pipes and wore loose jeans?"

A: They died of lung or mouth cancer. Their loose jeans did not save them.

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I don't know if Gilda is a true film noir but Rita is the best femme fatale I have ever seen.

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"I don't know if Gilda is a true film noir but Rita is the best femme fatale I have ever seen."

Am right there with you on 'not knowing'.... Yet any number of people point to Ann Savage in "Detour"....if her performance counts as best 'femme fatale'. I am new at "Film Noir", so have no right voicing an opinion of my own.

Anyway, do not think "Film Noir" is my genre, and appreciate the mentioning of titles that fans of Gilda would appreciate. Cannot in truth say I liked "Detour", but found it interesting. This is not ment to offend, I consider this to be my loss....

Sunset Blvd, Double Indemnity, and Touch of Evil I am familiar with....

Every time I watch 'Touch of Evil' I feel the need to take a shower.... It makes me feel dirty. I consider this to be the sign of a great movie, but can't really say I like it.... Hard to explain....

Read My Lips!!!!

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It's not my favorite film noir (that honor will always go to Shadow of a Doubt), but it's definitely in my top ten.

"He's already attracted to her. Time and monotony will do the rest."

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