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An interesting movie but....


Why was the plot so unbelievably overcomplicated . What was the point of having so many interlocking and overlapping characters ? This was a tale which could have been told much easier without all the total screen confusion .

( and it's just my opinion but surely the sexiest female in the whole movie is the pretty girl in the bookshop with the glasses ? Personally I've never understood the attraction of Lauren Bacall )

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Have you seen both versions of the film - the pre-release as well as the theatrical (1946) release? If not, it might lessen the confusion a bit.

I couldn't agree more with you about Dorothy Malone. You might enjoy this, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OllXnwy0nw

Here's a brief clip of Dorothy Malone from the television series Peyton Place, made roughly 20 years after The Big Sleep. A different role, of course, but still a fine actress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFATK3gsuQU

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I prefer Agnes Lowzier (Sonia Darrin) to all the other prominent female characters. Bacall and Vickers are spoiled and haughty. They would soon get bored with Marlowe. Plus they're alcoholics and drug addicts. It's not going to be a lasting relationship despite the movie trying to tell you that.

I think "Murder, My sweet" (1944) was by far the best Chandler / Marlowe adaptation. Tougher and darker without all the silly stuff like Marlowe flirting with every lady taxi driver and librarian and book store clerk and them meeting him halfway. Or the corny singing in the casino by Bacall. This movie hasn't aged well.

The ending is silly where Marlowe hides out in Eddie Mars' house with nothing but a revolver to face thugs with machine guns. What if they had all come in the house with guns drawn? What if Eddie had just shot him and said he was trespassing? He also put Vivian at risk. The shoot out from the end of "LA Confidential" was more realistic for what Marlowe should've faced, minus the happy ending tacked onto that movie.

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I agree. It's hard to get familiar with the characters and the story when it's so all over the place.

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There are really three stories going on at the same time. That's
the reason for so many characters: 2 romances, one murder and
blackmail.


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It is a puzzling film noir, and man, I'd be lying if I said I didn't love it for that very reason (of course there's much more to like about it).

As for the sexy broads, well, I absolutely see the appeal of young Lauren Bacall... however, all the other girls in the film give her a run for her money for sure. Dorothy Malone (bookshop girl) and Martha Vickers (Carmen) are my favorites.


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Why was the plot so unbelievably overcomplicated . What was the point of having so many interlocking and overlapping characters ? This was a tale which could have been told much easier without all the total screen confusion .


Well, to be honest, you're missing the point of the movie and the, even better, novel by Raymond Chandler. Chandler was not Agatha Christie, and plot was probably the least important element of his novels. The pleasures of Chandler are in character, dialogue, and atmosphere. The film is a surprisingly faithful adaptation of the novel both in style and plot; except for a major enlargement of Lauren Bacall's character, and a bit of juggling with the actual ending, the two are quite similar. The thing is that the novel (Chandler's first and he stitched together elements from two or three earlier short stories, which exacerbates its complexity) is also pretty confusing on a first read. Since the movie was obliged by the Production Code to omit the motivations for several of the murders (a pornography racket and a gay relationship) it is even more difficult to follow. You might not like this sort of thing, which is fair enough.

Oh, and the girl in the bookshop is Dorothy Malone. It's a great scene and quite well known by film buffs.

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My favorite is Agnes Lowzier (played by Sonia Darrin), who shamefully wasn't even credited / billed. She had character and depth while the others were shallow as cardboard cut-outs. Dorothy Malone was better in the Douglas Sirk melodrama "Written on the Wind." More beautiful and a much juicier character.

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Another good Dorothy Malone movie is "Written on the Wind," a melodrama by auteur director Douglas Sirk.

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The plot exists simply to embellish the characterizations and dialogue.

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