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Did anyone else here think the mother was nasty??? (spoiler)


We have to say we did enjoy this movie. The father may not have been the best provider and was an alcoholic but he did love his kids and he tried to make their lives more exciting and interesting than they really were.
The mother...we think she needed a drink. Yes her husband may have been a disappointment as a family provider but he did love her and their kids completely. Even how she kept her sister out of their family's lives wasn't very nice. We did think it was so unfortunate how the mother appreciated her husband after it was too late especially when all she heard was nothing but nice things from everybody about her husband after he died.
When the little girl received the flowers that her deceased father had ordered ahead of time for her graduation definately was a three hankie weeper moment!!



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I dont think she was nasty. She became so head strong and resentful from the pipe dreams, she became "granite rock" to keep it all on solid ground. I felt bad for her. She still loved him, you can tell when they were still in the kitchen remembering the past and she was getting dreamy eyed until it sunk in how bad it was. She was just doing her best to be strong and she took it a little too far being too hard. Her mother tells her this that night.
I personally started to get to this point my boyfriend of mine who looked at everything through rose colored glasses and god, i love those qualities, however, it became such a burden on us after a while, i became bitter and resentful that it was all dreams with no actions, a similar resentment ensued. Things changed thankfully.

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Nasty? You have missed the whole point of this fantastic movie.
Go back to watching movies with story lines that you can comprehend

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No need to be rude. The OP was just giving opinion and asking for opinion - not insults - it's not the same thing to an intelligent person.

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I have to disagree. Katie Nolan always loved her husband, and was as devastated as everyone else by his death. You have to remember that this story is being seen from Francie's point of view. She worshipped her father, and she sees her mother as something of a wet blanket in comparison. It's not unusual for a child to favor the fun-loving parent over the one who insists on discipline. In the beginning of the story Francie is too young to understand how Katie has held the family together and dealt with a very difficult situation - her husband was not only irresponsible, he was an alcoholic. Yet she stood by him and loved him. Katie is afraid to 'let go' because she feels she has to set an example of strength and hard work for her children.

Don't forget that this story takes place in the early 1900s (1912 I think). People's way of thinking about a how a woman (especially a mother) should behave was not the way it is today. In the book it's made clear that Katie's family (who was from Austria) thought her marriage to an Irishman was a foolish choice, but she insisted, and she stayed with him when things got bad. (It's a really good book, and has many more events than just what's shown in the movie. It's also much clearer in the book that we are only getting Francie's version of things.)

By the way, I think Dorothy Maguire's performance is excellent. I really think you can see Katie's conflicted feelings in every scene with her husband.

But I certainly agree with you that this is a very enjoyable movie (and a good history lesson, too).

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Katie is basically a good woman who is determined to give her children the up bringing best feels will prepare them for the world as she sees it. She loves them but their father has an easier time showing it.I do think Katie is too hard in some ways but she also tries hard to be fair even if sometimes she is anything but.If you have not read the book you really should it covers the family story in much greater depth and is fairly progressive in dealing with certain subjects,It also tells of Kaite and Johnny's early years together and their family backgrounds as well as Francie's earlier life.

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I agree. I thought the way she treated Francie was unfair. It was obvious that Neely was her favorite child. She was much nicer to him. Katie would have never thought to give Francie flowers for her graduation.

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Katie was pragmatic, while Mr. Nolan was quixotic. (Hey, what can I tell you, we've all seen such "mismatched" couples, even in high and lofty stations in life. Go figure!)

That being said, Ms. Dorothy McGuire and Mr. James Dunn were absolutely outstanding as Mrs. and Mr. Nolan (as was the wonderful Peggy Ann Garner, as the young and precocious Francie Nolan)!

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Katie is hard because she has to be. Her husband doesn't earn enough to feed the family and pay the rent and it is all up to her to do. I don't think the movie conveys how hard life was for the Nolans. The two apartments they are in, even the lower rent one, seem too nice for the squalid tenement that is described in the Betty Smith book. Even with Katie doing her best to keep the building scrubbed and clean, the Nolans' world is dirty and rough.

The movie is lovely and I watch it whenever I can, but it doesn't capture enough of the Nolans' struggles, and although I love Peggy Ann Garner, I thought she seemed too wispy to play the role of Francie. Francie had to be strong on many levels although she was also creative and dreamy. I can't see Peggy Ann's Francie having a Christmas tree thrown at her, or telling the nurse off when she and Neeley went to have their vaccinations before school started, or facing down Miss Garnder the English teacher when the teacher says her compositions are "sordid." (These events are all in the book.)

As others have suggested, people who see this movie and think Katie is "nasty" needs to read the book. It's a great, readable book, with a lot more details about all the family members, and details how Katie became hard after being a starry-eyed girl in love with a handsome fella. There was no welfare in those days, just charity and proud people like the Nolans did not go on charity because it was demeaning and considered shameful. Many people preferred to starve than go on charity. If Katie hadn't been hard and practical the family would have been out on the street, the kids probably sent to an orphanage. Heck, back then in some parts of the country they still had almshouses which separated husbands and wives and put the kids to work or adopted them out to people who wanted servants. Then Francie and Neeley would have never gotten any schooling, just done backbreaking work all their lives like other people without an education.

(In the book Katie realizes when Neeley is born that he is so much like his father that she is going to favor him over Francie. She knows it is wrong and tries not to do it, but it does happen. However, she depends on Francie and trusts her more than Neeley. This often happened back then, and probably still does, in families that have hard times; the oldest child has to become an adult quickly. This is what happens to Francie.)

Katie "did good" for her kids unfortunately at the expense of her marriage. But she kept them clothed, fed, and in school.

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You really need to read the book to completely understand the characters. Then the attitude towards Sissy is explained, you'll understand how going hungry can drive a Mother to be "hard". If you just go by the movie, you're missing a huge part of the story.

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I never had a chance to see the movie, but I read the book, like, a hundred times. Here in Europe few people have heard about it, and it's such a pity since it's one of the most touching, sincere, inspiring stories I have ever read. Is it a common read in the States? Does 'Tree in Brooklyn' (book) have fans out there? I'd really like to hear from other people who loved this book.

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I love the book, and read it through a couple of time a year. It's one I keep on my headboard, along with "To Kill a Mockingbird". I love them both.

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I wouldn't quite say nasty, but I feel she treated her daughter and sister unfairly at times.

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I was going to say exactly that, about reading the book! yes, read the book! Although I think this is a fantastic movie for economically fitting in everything that is important up to the part where they stopped. (Here's a teaser - the book goes until Francie is 16 or 17, so there's much more story to be had!)

Katie doesn't want to be hard, and you see that in the movie - she knows she's changed, and she'd much rather be the person she used to be than the one her life has forced her into being. If she didn't have that determination though, the family wouldn't have had a roof over their heads. Maybe the movie doesn't make clear how deep in poverty they were, and the only reason they had a place to stay is because she cleaned the building every day. She worries about Francie because she sees her as being too much like her father: "a dreamer." She loves that dreamy quality but in her experience with her husband, it means always waiting for the ship to come in and not taking care of yourself. She wants Francie to be able to be strong and take care of herself.

Read the book and give her another chance!

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Let's face it both the mother and the father needed to be a little more like each other. The mother needed to believe a little more in hopes and dreams and the father needed to be more realistic. And, as in life, sometimes we don't appreciate others until they are gone and thenwe realize and wish we had been more appreciative earlier.

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If you had read the book, you wouldn't think that.

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The book adds much more dimension to the character of Katie Nolan and explains her a bit more. She wasn't nasty,she was a realist who had to ultimately take responsibility for the family,even when the father was alive. A brilliantly strong female character !

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Katie Rommely Nolan was made of invisible steel. She was strong and determined, Johnny resented that life was going too fast for him, Katie refused to give up and kept right on fighting so her children could have a better future.
It worked. And while she gave Neely all the breaks, Francie was just as strong as Katie as result of the favortism.
I recommend that everyone read the book. One of the central characters, and one of my favorites has been left out, Aunt Evy.
I love the book, and I also recommend Joy in the Morning by Betty Smith. Wonderful!

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It's not so much that Katie favors Neely over Francie. Katie is afraid that Neely will beome a ne'er do well like his father, he needs more direction/attention in his life. Katie see Francie as a fighter (in a way, like her) she knows no matter what, Francie will survive. This point is better explained in the book.

Anyone who tells a lie has not a pure heart, and cannot make a good soup. Ludwig Van Beethoven

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I actually remember the book pretty much saying Katie did favor Neely. Even that Katie knew that Francie sensed she loved Neely more. The book showed that she did love Francie as well, but it did show some clear favoritism. She actually thinks to herself that she doesn't love Francie as much as Neely.

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