the term 'gaslight'
anyone have any comment on the term 'gaslight'? anyone have any experiences with someone trying to create paranoia in your life or someone elses?
shareanyone have any comment on the term 'gaslight'? anyone have any experiences with someone trying to create paranoia in your life or someone elses?
shareIt was mentioned, and served as a plot device, in a first-season episode of MASH called "The Ringbanger." Hawkeye and Trapper try to get a recovering colonel with a high mortality rate among his troops shipped back home by gaslighting him.
"My brain rebelled, and insisted on applying logic where it was not welcome."share
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My ex tried to convince me that I was a narcissist by complimenting me, then saying "I never said that. You think about yourself a lot" if I ever brought it up later. Very creepy. Not recommended for any relationship.
shareSo far that makes 3 victims in this thread. I bet you are all female with male perpetrators. I think society allows men to be narcissists, at least in private. I wish you a thorough recovery.
shareI'm a man and I've been gaslighted by my NPD ex-fiance.
It's a horrible experience. I found myself, as the relationship went on, apologizing for things that I would never say nor feel but I would do it because I was convinced, well, I MUST HAVE or else she wouldn't be so upset with me. She would say things to me and she would tell me I imagined it or I took the meaning way out of context when I brought it back up to her. It's a very very slow insidious process, bookended by love, adoration, intimacy, flattery, and praise. They give you every reason to WANT to believe them because they seem to give you so much. Believing them means that you still have control, you have the power to change things, to make the situation better, to live the happy life they've let you taste in sweet intervals.
Then of course, you do look crazy to the outside world. They're charmers. They're rational and smart. Meanwhile, at my breaking point (when I woke up), here I was going to Europe with nary idea of where I would even sleep, alone, for seven weeks. Who's the crazy one? Well, the guy on the homeless vacation of course! But it was in that time that I got the perspective and clarity I needed. I realized that my self esteem and sense of reality had been destroyed. I remember talking to her, long distance, and we were talking about the possibility of getting back together and I said "Yes, well, we would need to etch a sketch everything, build a completely new foundation and start from scratch, we can do it" and she said, "Well, I see how in most cases that is exactly the right and healthy thing to do to start a new relationship...however, you have to realize you weren't present for much of our relationship. So things actually were going well, you just weren't yourself, it wasn't your fault, but even you've admitted you don't remember so many things happening that actually happened."
I knew then that things were doomed. When I returned from Europe, with the resolve that she did have personality disorder(s), she tried to sympathetically tell me that I might have multiple personality disorder. That she looked it up and one of the symptoms is missing large blocks of time, which is what would explain me "forgetting" all the times I was terrible to her. But oh, she was so nice, willing to stand by me and get me help! (sarcasm)
I eventually broke away, but it took sleeping on the streets of an entirely different continent to take the power back. I know another man, my senior in age, and he was married to one for 25 years. He recently escaped and had to do lots of alternative therapy to help him get past his post traumatic stress disorder.
Statistically, women are more likely to have the personality disorder (Borderline, which holds hands with Narcissism) that is associated with gaslighting. It sounds obvious, looks obvious when watching this film, to escape but it isn't. They will treat you like a king or queen, then slowly back away, confusing you, and watch as you scramble to please them again. They speak with smiles and sophistication. They're cunning. They play on your greatest desires and your greatest fears. Be careful.
An early sign that you are involved with one is if you become caught up in a whirlwind Hollywood romance. If you find yourself more loved and appreciated than you could ever imagine. Tread carefully. There's lots of them out there.
there is a great book called "people of the lie" by scott peck
shareYour stats are either old or wrong, men and women are equally likely to have this disorder. The difference is when men have it they are more likely to be violent or act on it etc. They are usually physically stronger which makes it more difficult to overcome if the woman is the victim. Either way you're the first gaslighting story Ive ever heard that has a woman perp, most of these incidents by and large are done by men to women therefore making who is more likely to be affected with the disorder irrelevant anyways since there are many other factors at play with gaslighting than just this specific disorder that account for the difference in gender stats. Like having 10 times more testosterone. Also the fact that not in all cases of gaslighting would the perp even have the disorder in the first place. Its not a black and white issue, there are many variables especially when a lot of money or loss of reputation is at play.
"According to their findings, the rates of avoidant and dependent personality disorders were similar for both genders. However, men with BPD were significantly more likely to have co-morbid paranoid, passive-aggressive, narcissistic, sadistic, and antisocial personality disorders."
"Yet, a recent and well-executed study by Grant et al2 (i.e., the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions) found that BPD is equally prevalent among men and women, which is our current impression."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3115767/
Drew Barrymore has said that when she was in her twenties, her therapist told her she was being gaslighted by a boyfriend and she had no idea what he meant. Next session, he gave her a copy of the movie.
shareI learned about Gaslighting whne I read about Borderline Personality Disorder.
I read about it because close family members are trapped in a cult and the cult uses gaslighting all the time.
It's a very horrible thing to see and experience up close.
What hump?
I was "gaslighted" at work once. I was working in physical therapy and this one woman in medical records wanted an assistant so she could get her to take over this one aspect of her job that she hated. Because of cost restraints, her boss said, how about Amry0217, transfer her salary from PT to administration and refused to listen to the woman who didn't want me since she didn't think I could handle the disgusting job she wanted to get rid of. She wanted me to quit so she could then get someone else to take over my job, so they could take over the disgusting..... She'd hide reports and ask me where they were, then she'd accuse me of losing them. She took a report away from a pile I was working on and put it back in the "xerox" box. I was sure I had just processed the report, but there it was again, in the box.
I was seriously beginning to doubt my sanity and wondered if I was a hazard on the job with losing reports and all when they did a vocational evaluation on me and the technician stood up for me in all ways stating she saw no problem with how I was doing the job. On her advice I started a xeroxing log listing the reports I processed which could have worked against me and proved I did mislay a report if it came down to it. But I never did.
The original woman who was hiding reports came to me on two different occasions stating she didn't get her copies, but my log proved I had given them to her. One report landed somewhere it shouldn't and the log proved, I hadn't processed that report, someone else did.
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He lifts me clear to the sky, you know he taught me to fly.
My EX would gaslight me. I was constantly accused of cheating or flirting in spite of the fact that I never cheated on him and I am not a flirty girl. If he wanted to go out for the evening he would instigate a fight, accusing me of something, then storm off to go do what he wanted. When evidence of his cheating would come to my attention, he would try to flip it around on me, accusing me of being paranoid. For a while I would wonder if I was just paranoid or was something actually going on. Well after 2 years of marriage I left him. You can't live with a gasslighter because they will make you crazy.
shareis this a correct statement? donald trump has gaslighted his followers?
shareYes, my emotionally abusive husband gaslighted me. When I first learned that what he was doing to me was abuse, I heard the term for the first time. It was funny because I had no idea what it meant and all it brought to mind was this movie that I'd heard of but never seen.
I finally understood what it meant one night when we were going out to dinner. His coworker's wife had recently given birth, and he asked if I wanted to stop by there before dinner. I didn't really want to, and he agree that he didn't want to either. Fast forward a few weeks and the story had suddenly changed to him begging me to go see them, but because I am apparently antisocial, I refused. It was so ridiculous how obvious the gaslighting was, but because before this I had never known it was a thing he was able to use it to torture me. At times I felt like I was going crazy. It was awful.