What I would give for them to redub Bob.
Ugh. He's soooo irrtating. A decent voice would go along way to fixing everything he ruins.
shareUgh. He's soooo irrtating. A decent voice would go along way to fixing everything he ruins.
shareWhat's wrong with it? That is his natural voice. He didn't put it on at all for the film.
We've just been adding some contemporary reviews to the PaPAS site (http://www.powell-pressburger.org/Reviews/44_ACT/Contemporary/index.ht ml) and many of them say how much they like Bob and his gentle manner
Steve
That is EXACTLY the roblem. He sucks at line readings. I thought I was watching a Little Rascals short.
- gentle manner... fine!
- annoying folksy goober from the sticks who couldn't act if it meant winning the war? NO!
You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems that all those reviews, and many people, disagree with you
Steve
I think his performance was compelling, totally convincing in its naturalness. He came across as exactly what he was in real life - an American GI far from his home.
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It's the little touches that he brings to it that I like (or it could be the direction). As you say, he's very good when he's with the boys. Like when he crouches down to talk to Leslie & Terry on "Pow-wow hill" or how, when the boys find the clues in Colpeper's rubbish, Bob gives the nod to Peter and they stand back and salute. That's just the sort of thing young boys would like.
But consider as well, the scene with Alison on the cart. When he's talking about the mail being lost by enemy action. That was a one-take wonder which he could do with real feeling because he hadn't had any letters from home for a long time.
And if he does seem unnaturally stiff, remember that he wasn't a trained actor. The other leads were. It was the first film for Sheila Sim & Denis Price but they were both trained and experienced stage actors. John Sweet was an amateur actor, untrained in the art. He'd never been in front of a camera before and he hadn't done much on stage either.
I think he did a great job.
Steve
Me too. An inspired choice of actor by Powell. It shouldn't work, but it does!
shareI thought John was perfect for the role. And I adore his accent!
Yes, sir, I'm going to do nothing like she's never been done before!
Oh, his line reading was dreadfully stiff and unemotional. Such a contrast to the other, far more natural performances within the film...and I'm with you on the dubbing. Grated beyond belief.
This must be where pies go when they die.
I'm watching this movie now on TCM. I just stepped into the kitchen to refresh my cup of coffee but could still hear the dialogue.While distracted with preparing the coffee i thought I heard Red skelton talking.I ducked back in to check the screen only to find it was Sgt Bob talking.Very similar sounding.
Anyone else familiar enough with Red to notice same ? I understand why some wished for a more dynamic actor but seriously, there are people - even in rural New York State, who talk very similar to the Sgt. If I hadn't just read that he was an amateur I would have applauded his ability to get the mannerisms and 'tongue' down to a 'T'. Maybe its better to have 'the real deal' in this kind of movie considering its intent ? Yes, in the year 2010 (almost) there are people who still speak like Bob - same demeanor too. And in NY no less - within a 20 mile ride of the George Washington Bridge !
Back to TCM....
I saw it as a Revival at the Charles Theater here in Baltimore MD USA. When I heard the voice at first, I thought it WAS Red Skelton. BTW, I thought he was great. I agree with the commenter who said, it shouldn't work but it does.
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GEORGE
And all's fair in love and war?
MRS. BAILEY
[primly] I don't know about war.
When I heard the voice at first, I thought it WAS Red Skelton.Yup --- I thought so too --- many of Sgt. Bob's facial expressions, vocal inflections, and mannerisms reminded me of Red Skelton too -- wonder if they both came from the same part of the US, or even had ethnic backgrounds in common ?
i thought I heard Red skelton talking.I ducked back in to check the screen only to find it was Sgt Bob talking.Yup --- I thought so too --- many of Sgt. Bob's facial expressions, vocal inflections, and mannerisms reminded me of Red Skelton too -- wonder if they both came from the same part of the US, or even had ethnic backgrounds in common ?
He was an American in a quintessential English setting; his accent had to stand out to highlight his fish-out-of-water placement and to have 'England' explained to him. Giving him a generic film American accent would have been too acceptable and lessened his character. Some American accents can seem to 'grate', but so can can some English accents and to dub his voice would have lost part of the film's feeling. He was a stranger abroad in England and Powell highlighted this. To my mind he did an incredible job for an 'amateur'.
shareI'm not so much against his accent and I'm certainly not against him as a person, but I also felt his performance was pretty grating and took away from the film. I could tell he was an amateur or at least unexperienced from the credits, where his rank is given, and his awkward line pacing only confirmed it.
Watch him carefully in many scenes: he waits for his cue perceptibly, then as soon as it comes, says his line really fast and loud. Instead of coming off as quick and witty or slower and entirely natural, the dialogue feels forced and awkward. For instance, when the constable tells him (something like), "We're not G-men here, Sergeant, so don't expect us to use Chicago methods," Bob without showing any understanding or waiting a beat, immediately turns to Alison and says loudly, "Say what's the meaning of that, I'm from Oregon!" If this was "His Girl Friday" and he was Cary Grant, it would make sense for every line to bounce back and forth super-fast because the characters are articulate and witty and that's the rhythm of the movie. Here, the film would probably be better served by Bob looking confused and asking the meaning in an aside to Alison. Either way, Bob sounds overloud, awkward, and completely staged and unnatural.
Whenever I focused on him while watching the film he would do something like this and I would immediately be taken out of the film and feel like groaning at his complete lack of acting ability. But when I avoided focusing on him, I found I could ignore his shortcomings for the most part and still enjoy the movie. I wanted to like him, I tried to like him, and by the end I sort of did. Nevertheless, he was extremely distracting and I think he took away from the film significantly. Maybe if it had been his 3rd or 4th film it would have been all right, but his lack of experience was blindingly obvious here.
"We're not G-men here, Sergeant, so don't expect us to use Chicago methods," Bob without showing any understanding or waiting a beat, immediately turns to Alison and says loudly, "Say what's the meaning of that, I'm from Oregon
On the contrary I think he does "understand" but he's not the type of guy to make a case out of it with the Englishman. In s way, I'd think the Sgt's too polite! He's kind of a guest in another country and shows it by his retort. He's usually trying to make himself agreeable with those around him. I see his comment on the "meaning of that" as not indicating that he doesn't know what the fellow meant. In fact, it shows that he's wise to the Englishman's wisecrack. He knows he's a nice and quiet "Oregonian!"
I'm not so much against his accent and I'm certainly not against him as a person; but I also felt his performance was pretty grating and took away from the film. I could tell he was an amateur or at least unexperienced from the credits, where his rank is given, and his awkward line pacing only confirmed it.
Based on what I've read, John Sweet (who played Bob Johnson) was a very generous and socially conscious human being; however, on the evidence of A Canterbury Tale, he wasn't much of a film actor. His line readings were flat, uninflected, and they sounded painstakingly rehearsed; I don't think he ever sounded natural or genuine. But it wasn't just that his accent was grating and difficult to listen to; what also bothered me was that he didn't sound remotely Northwestern (ie, Pacific Northwestern); his accent was closer to the rural Midwest than anything else.
I'd read that Burgess Meredith was almost cast in the role, and I think it's a shame he wasn't; the film would have been much better if he had. Sweet certainly sounds like an outsider, but mostly he comes across as a bad actor in the company of good ones (or at least, convincing ones).
But apart from him, I have no real complaints about A Canterbury Tale; it's the kind of accomplished, high-quality film I've come to expect from Powell and Pressburger.
Jack Webb's demand of the actors he cast in his Dragnet films and radio-plays was "Just say the words; don't ACT!"
It's obvious Bob was an amateur but it's just that rawness that puts me into WWII England with a feel for the humanity being characterized. Burgess Meredith, as much as I love him, would have diminished the result.
Jack Webb's demand of the actors he cast in his Dragnet films and radio-plays was "Just say the words; don't ACT!"
Well, you never got much in the way of performances from Dragnet, nor did you expect them; Jack Webb's "just the facts" acting & his one-note delivery pretty much set the tone for that show. On the other hand, the films of Powell and Pressburger frequently featured brilliant performances. The two directors have often used film newcomers (for example, Sheila Sim in this film and Moira Shearer in The Red Shoes) who did surprisingly good work; never for a moment did I feel the movies suffered when the story focused on them. But unfortunately, that's exactly what I felt happened with John Sweet in A Canterbury Tale; his delivery was so jarring and stiff it practically killed every scene he was in - at least, it did for me. So I came to this board wondering if anyone else had the same reaction. And, as this thread has demonstrated, I wasn't the only one who had serious reservations about his work.
Of course, I'm not saying there's ONLY ONE WAY to respond to John Sweet's performance; if someone else found him charming and delightful, then that's terrific. There's no "right" or "wrong" here, it's just a case of different strokes for different folks.
John Sweet's performance as Bob Johnson convinces me that he is a good-natured Oregonian with an affinity for the people of rural Kent, particularly those in the lumber (timber) business. I believe it was the characterization that Powell & Pressburger intended and it works for me. What seems to be lost on many who see the film is its spirituality. Without it, they mistake the story of the Glue Man for the plot.
The Glue Man is the MacGuffin
His identity is soon revealed, by himself, so it stops being a whodunnit and it becomes a whydunnit.
But as you say simonton, it is a very spiritual film and it has to be appreciated at its own pace
Steve
You know it's tough to see Mr. Sweet's performance criticized but all in all no matter what's said the film in its totality holds up. His acting certainly doesn't destroy the film. For the film I think he was cast correctly. I realize we can try to "explain" an actor's performance but after you do that one still has to answer the question of what's left to ponder and as the film shows......plenty since the film operates on another level, i.e. as noted 'spiritually' and perhaps ineffably.
shareThe first time I saw the film, I began by feeling rather like the OP. But Sweet's performance grew on me, and by the end I was completely won over. Yes, it's raw ... but he has such an innate sense of decency & sensitivity that comes through that it suits the film. In fact, at this point I feel that his performance doesn't detract from it, but actually enhances it.
shareI noticed his accent seemed a little 'too' American, but I think that was the point. He was not meant to sound suave and transatlantic. He's an American everyman. He's a lumberman's son, a regular guy. I think his accent was probably emphasized to show he is an American.
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