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so, how do you speak of the film without a spoiler?


This movie is so far ahead of its time, that its still ahead of its time. There are numerous "twist" movies, but this one is way ahead of all the ones made so far.

Now, I think it is fairly obvious, to me, that the pilgrims are in the afterlife, that they were casualties of war, and being made in the same year as BETWEEN TWO WORLDS probably made it more obvious to people at the time,,but after reading reviews for this film, I truly think many people didn't catch on to it, that they don't realize it, unless my assessment is incorrect, and I admit I was suspicious that it was going on from the start, because the first scene I clipped on to was accidentally the meeting on top of the hill where Portman lay.

And again, I think this is obvious, that we begin with a boisterous Canterbury romp tale, and the innocent Andy Hardy style mystery, but it is really one of the darker tales told in a cheery way.

Should the ending have made it more clear? Or was it meant to be "open ended?" I still believe it is obvious, and I'm surprised many people ddin't understand this. When do you give the spoiler?



Games, must we?

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What makes you think that? I've heard many people talk about this film and have discussed it with even more people and I've never heard anyone suggest that before.

But maybe you're right and everyone else, including the people who made the film, are all wrong

Steve

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I never thought of it as me being right, and certainly not everyone else wrong. The people who made the film, and I assume you mean Powell, have no comments on record I can find, and about half of the reviews are careful not to include the spoiler, but seem to indicate it is the afterlife.

I can't imagine I'm the only person who believes the characters are dead, or in the spirit of the film, departed from this world

Almost every single segment indicates this. First, the soldier disembarks the train alone, not realizing what is going on.

The woman has a foreign substance in her hair she can't get out. Sticky, like glue, put there by a "pixie" like character, very similar to what you may feel if you suddenly had debris from an explosion in your hair before you died.

The pixie like character who of course turns out to be Culpepper

The stark cryptlike confines of the magistrate's office.

The door he unlocks to show the uniforms on the floor. Two of them. There are two soldiers who entered the town on this occassion.

The inscription I can't make out, but it says something about "Earth" in his office.

The fire watch. We know what that means.

I think this one is a clincher. When the soldier has been hanging out with the girl all day, he asks what color her hair is. He didn't know she was blonde. They're clearly seeing each other as spirits.

There are a multitude of other reasons to be suspicious, and other signs, but I won't go over them all, just to the end.

In the end, she finds herself able to reunite with a dead soldier. If that isn't being hit on the head with a hammer, what is?

Everything is made right. The smoke that fills the room and seems to choke the one soldier who has a second of unforgiveness. The pixie like appearance on the hill. Characters just keep magically appearing into places. And to top it all off, at the end, the soldiers march first into the cathedral, representing the fallen soldiers, perhaps that day, followed, and if you notice, they are followed reluctantly, by the people standing in the cathedral, civilian casualties..

I don't think for a moment that I am the only one right, because I never thought for a moment that I was in a minority here. Obviously, this is the film. It is a darker Canterbury tale. I don't know all of them, but I don't think it is the pardoner's, because the three people searching for Death aren't self destructive or cruel, but it could be derived from that one. In short, "we see dead people".


Games, must we?

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It's certainly an interesting reading of the film, and, as I say, not one I have ever heard anyone else make. Not any of the film-makers (not Powell himself, nor Pressburger but quite a few of the others, actors & crew), not any of the academics or reviewers or fans who have written about it.

Of course that's not to say you're wrong. It is a perfectly valid reading, but how accurate is it?

First, the soldier disembarks the train alone, not realizing what is going on.

He's not alone, he's not even the only one to have got off the train there. Bob Johnson mis-hears the porter when he calls out "Canterbury next stop" thinking that this is Canterbury. Peter Gibbs has already got off the train there because he's going to Chillingbourne camp.

Bob doesn't realise what's going on because he's a stranger in a strange land. One of the first American G.I.s to arrive in Britain at the start of the build up to D-Day.

The woman has a foreign substance in her hair she can't get out. Sticky, like glue, put there by a "pixie" like character, very similar to what you may feel if you suddenly had debris from an explosion in your hair before you died.

It's also sticky like another substance that a man can deposit in a woman's hair

An earlier version of the script had the attacker slashing the dresses of the girls. But that was thought to be too weird, even for The Archers, so they settled for the glue.

What sort of explosion leaves a sticky debris in your hair? Remember that the other girls that Alison meets had also had an encounter with "The Glue Man".

The pixie like character ...

He has also been likened to "Puck of Pook's Hill" from the Kipling stories - which were a favourite of the young Michael Powell. But being pixie-like doesn't mean that he represents death. There are other pixies.

The stark cryptlike confines of the magistrate's office.

That's a very realistic re-creation of the interior of the Town Hall at Fordwich. It's the smallest town hall in Britain, so small that they couldn't film in there even with B&W cameras, what with all the lights and generators that they would need - so they re-built the interior of the town hall in the studio.

The door he unlocks to show the uniforms on the floor. Two of them. There are two soldiers who entered the town on this occassion.

It's a cupboard where he keeps his uniform, and a spare

The inscription I can't make out, but it says something about "Earth" in his office.

The inscription is on the wall in the real town hall, just below King Charles II's Coat of Arms. It is on the pleading bar in the film.
It says "Love and honour the truth"

The fire watch. We know what that means.

Yes, it means watching out for fires
During the blitz, the bombing by the Luftwaffe, they used to drop incendiary bombs as well as high explosive bombs. Citizens used to take it in turn to do fire watching duty. As soon as an incendiary bomb was spotted they would rush to extinguish it before the fire started to take hold and burn the building.

I think this one is a clincher. When the soldier has been hanging out with the girl all day, he asks what color her hair is. He didn't know she was blonde. They're clearly seeing each other as spirits.

He's a man. He's not very observant as to what colour a girl's hair is. When he asks her it's dark so he has to ask her.

In the end, she finds herself able to reunite with a dead soldier. If that isn't being hit on the head with a hammer, what is?

She wasn't reunited with a dead soldier. Her airman fiancée had been reported "Missing, believed killed". He turned up safe and sound in Gibraltar. It happened like that sometimes in the fog of war.

Everything is made right. The smoke that fills the room and seems to choke the one soldier who has a second of unforgiveness.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean the caravan after Alison is told that Geoffrey is alive? She rushes back into the caravan so that it'll be ready for when he returns. But the moths are eating the curtains. As she shakes them out we see moths flying around. Not smoke.

Characters just keep magically appearing into places. And to top it all off, at the end, the soldiers march first into the cathedral, representing the fallen soldiers, perhaps that day, followed, and if you notice, they are followed reluctantly, by the people standing in the cathedral, civilian casualties.

The soldiers are about to head off for D-Day. They know that some of them won't come back so they have a church service before they go. A very common situation, even today. The people standing watching are their friends and relations as well as the people off the town, wanting to wish them well.

It's an interesting idea and you're perfectly entitled to your opinion. But as I said at the start, you are the only person I've heard of who has thought this in the 60+ years since it was made and all of your "proofs" are easily explained.

But The Archers did love multiple layers of meaning in their films. That's what makes them so fascinating and so endlessly re-watchable. I'll offer some of these thoughts to other people I know who know and love the film as much as I do

Steve

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Interesting take...Of course we all see the film perhaps the same as well as differently in some places. The allusions that drystyx makes appear to me to perhaps pick up on the "spiritual" aspects of the film which waft through the scenes. Personally, I've always had the image of a beautiful breeze working its way through the film, touching the characters and inviting them to expereince living in the present and historical worlds at the same time.

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We do a location walk every year on the last Sunday in August in one of the villages around Canterbury where they filmed some of the scenes, or in Canterbury itself. (See http://www.powell-pressburger.org/Trips/Canterbury/index.html)

We usually get 50 - 100 people turning up. Everyone has a different reason for being there and it's fascinating to hear all their different reasons and how a 60+ year old film can still speak to people today.

It is very spiritual, without being overly religious. Once you slow down to its pace you can appreciate how little happens, but it's so full of so many things.

Emeric Pressburger once said "I think that a film should have a good story, a clear story, and it should have, if possible, something which is probably the most difficult thing - it should have a little bit of magic ... Magic being untouchable and very difficult to cast, you can't deal with it at all. You can only try to prepare some nests, hoping that a little bit of magic will slide into them."

He prepared the nests beautifully and the magic slid into them perfectly

Steve

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It looks like I may have gotten the wrong impression and interpretted the film wrong, which in reevaluating it, I still appreciate the film.

I was very mesmerized first by the acting. I always think of Portman as his famous portrayal of the evil u boat survivor in THE 49TH PARALLELL, a convincing, three dimensional portrayal, if ever there was one, of a film villain.

here, he was a benevolent shepherd character, and charming in his naive attitude. Only outside of America could someone that naive attain enough respect to be a magistrate.

So getting past my awe at Portman's acting range, and evaluating the film at face value, that is to say, without my dark interpretation, I still appreciate the value of the film. I like the Hardy girl heroine type mystery which seems to contain a lot of maic. I like the way Culpepper "magically" pops up, the way you can do when you are naive and good hearted.

Still, it just seems to me to be a more cheerful version of the pardoner's tale. The bit where he asks her what color her hair is, and the end, where the soldiers march into the cathedral, followed by the civilians, who glance at each other first with a knowing reluctance. I thought it was an odyssey into death, and the other characters just died at different times. There is one part that is outside the realm of the visiting trio's perceptions, where another trio speaks of "the glue man" striking again, and I'm not sure what to make of this. And all the other symbols. But if I'm the only one who reads this, I probably am wrong.



Games, must we?

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But if I'm the only one who reads this, I probably am wrong.

No, never assume that. Not wrong, just different

As I said, there are multiple layers to any P&P film and lots of different people take a different meaning from them. They often leave things unexplained so that they are open to interpretation

Steve

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We do a location walk every year on the last Sunday in August in one of the villages around Canterbury where they filmed some of the scenes, or in Canterbury itself.

Steve...you don't know how much we want to get over there to do that walk. I know we will. I'm hoping sometime in the near future. And I do hope you won't end it until we can get there...;-)..And yes, ACT is truly a "magical" film.

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Just get the Criterion DVD. We're on there as one of the extras - "A Canterbury Trail"

We've been doing it for over 10 years and as we say every year "We'll keep on doing it until we get it right". It's as popular as ever.

But if you can't be in the UK on the last Sunday in August then Paul Tritton's book A Canterbury Tale - Memories of a Classic Wartime Movie [http://www.powell-pressburger.org/Reviews/44_ACT/TheBook2.html] has details of all of the locations, complete with map references and a lot of "Then & Now" photos and interviews with a lot of the cast & crew. Reading that is almost as good as being on the walk

Steve

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Just get the Criterion DVD. We're on there as one of the extras - "A Canterbury Trail"

Yes I have it and that's where I thought that walk was so great. One day. And that book looks good. I'll get it soon. Thanks very much.

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After viewing it again, I'm even more convinced it's like BETWEEN TWO WORLDS, and no one brings it up simply because people accepted it long ago as being less supernatural.

I think the magic of it points to the supernatural aspects of what I stated. These three are dead, and Culpepper is their host in the afterlife. And everyone who marches into the cathedral are also casualties of war.



Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

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An interesting angle to take on it 

It may be long ago but it's hardly the Middle Ages

Steve

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