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Could he have been lying at the end? SPOILER


I just watched this movie last night for the second time. The first time I saw it, I accepted the ending for what it was: that all of her suspicions about him were wrong and that he was really trying to kill himself. This time when I watched it, I found myself questioning the ending. He was a master manipulator, an expert con artist and a great liar as he proved throughout the movie. Is it possible that he really did kill his friend and that he really was trying to kill her, and that he merely lied to her in order to alleviate her suspicions? I'm just curious as to what other people think about this.

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If he was the killer, then he wouldn't have shut the door strongly before speeding the car.

I don't think he was a murderer. Beaky was a good friend of Johnnie since Johnnie's childhood. If Johnnie was responsible for the death of Beaky, then he would have been focusing on getting the profits from Corporation. The Corporation is still in place, because Beaky wasn't able to sink the corporation. So if he was the murderer, he wouldn't have applied for a "loan" out of Lina's life insurance policy.

If Johnnie isn't a murderer, then what is the reason for the increase of Suspicion?

Lina's Suspicions increase only after her father's death. Her father's death was very shocking for her. So this might have led to the increase in her Suspicion. The audience should also notice that it was Lina, who bought "Murder on the Footbridge." And it was Lina who spelled "Murder" (Anagram). And Suddenly, she started imagining Johnnie killing Beaky.

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Also remember that ending was changed from the original ending by Hitchcock who didn't want to risk spoiling Cary Grants's reputation of always being the good guy in his movies. It was Hitchcock's desire to show that Grant was completely innocent and misunderstood.

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You have it a little backwards. Hitch wanted to go with an ending that was similar to the original novel, where Johnnie was the killer. The studio (RKO, I believe) was opposed to that and wanted Cary Grant to appear as charming as possible, and not at all menacing. Hitchcock was able to fight and get enough scenes in the film where Grant did seem threatening so the viewers had doubts about Johnnie's intentions, but he ultimately had to acquiesce to the studio when it came to them not wanting Grant to play the bad guy.

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I thought that before she is killed originally, Lina mails a letter to her mother saying that her husband is killing her, thereby ensuring that he will be caught. But yes, the Code was extremely problematic.

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I've just watched SUSPICION again for the first time in several years - I'd really forgotten most of it (other than that famous glass of milk, of course).

It seems pretty obvious that the original intention was to follow through to the novel's ending, in which Lina is in fact murdered by her husband (he's far more of a bounder in the novel than in the film, according to Wikipedia) - the entire last scene is completely unconvincing, and seems tacked-on (it's obvious that the closing shot of the back of Lina and Johnny's heads isn't even Fontaine and Grant!). The entire film sets Johnnie up as shady and deceitful, and then pretends otherwise at the end.

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Yes, and remember how Johnny set up a 'rescue' for Beaky before he died. He could easily have done this to get him to trust his old friend before the actual murder. He's doing the same thing for his wife, thats how I feel after watching the end. His alibi for Beaky's death is ropey too, imo: she only accepts it after he 'saves her life'.

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Cary Grant played a charmer. He wouldn't really hurt anyone. He was not a bad man, nor was he a bounder. Often especially in the 30-40-50 movies deviated considerably from the book.

Since some entries here are fairly recent, I would use the secret life of bees as an example. It is not that the movie didn't try to follow the book and it is not that Dakota Fanning wasn't terrific along with August. They both were. It is just the book was so much more focused on Lily's inner thinking, and the revelations were naked and very powerful, especially if one is interested in Women's Studies. Perhaps it is an unfair comparrison.

I think Suspicion has a very powerful ending. It is much better to put the burden of proof on Fontaine and show her to be wrong, and allow Grant to be imperfect but harmless. He is shown to have a genuine affection for Beeky. If he is given the ending, then you have to believe that he has genuine feelings for her. You can indulge all your suspicions in the beginning and the middle. Give the man his ending and you then have to look for all the affection he gave her and make that consistent with the ending.

It's as likely as any other possibility.

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Actually, the ending seems very open-ended to me. It stops just after Grant's character explains himself, we're left without being completely sure how their marriage will work out. He's charming, but still has serious character flaws. Its of a piece with the title - the suspicion never completely clears, and if we found out either way it would do.

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The police also had suspicions at least the French, a simple check of his passport would have cleared it all up and made the rest of the story impossible.

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The entire film sets Johnnie up as shady and deceitful, and then pretends otherwise at the end.

That's what I was thinking earlier when I watched it. I thought, "We didn't imagine all of that and Lina didn't, either."



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The ending that was originally scripted and filmed by Hitchcock was omitted from the final cut due to its rejection by preview audiences. In the final scene Lina willingly drinks the milk, believing that it is poisoned and reveals that she knows she is dying. Johnnie, realizing how much he has hurt her by his recklessness and deception, denies that the milk is poisoned and confesses everything: he embezzled money from his cousin, intended to cheat Beaky in the real estate scheme, and lost money betting on a horse race that he borrowed from his friend, hoping to cover his debts. He explains his interest in the poison saying that, in desperation, stole ideas from Isobel (the author) with the intentions of writing a thriller. Admitting that he is a liar and a thief, he begs Lina’s forgiveness and the scene ends with the couple embracing.
The first cut of the film was shown to two preview audiences, but the ending was thoroughly rejected, many finding it hilarious. Comments also revealed a resistance to Cary Grant in a malevolent role, many saying that he should stick to comedy. The opposition of Grant as a villain clearly suggested that audiences would be unable to accept or believe him in such a role, contrary to the conventional belief that it would damage his star image. In addition, the omission of several facts from the film, most importantly Lina’s pregnancy, provided little motivation for her decision to succumb to a passive death.
Following the preview screenings the bedroom confession was dropped and a new ending was devised. Much of the dialogue remained intact, but the final scene now plays out by the roadside. Audiences found this version more acceptable, however they continued to judge it as abrupt and inconsistent.

Thus we are left with the finale as it exists today; neither one as Hitchcock envisioned or how the book ends. Was the film doomed to have a faulty ending with the choice of Grant as the leading man? Possibly another actor in the role would have allowed a more satisfying conclusion, but still to adhere to code, he wouldn't have been allowed to get away with murder.

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In addition, the omission of several facts from the film, most importantly Lina’s pregnancy, provided little motivation for her decision to succumb to a passive death.


She was pregnant?

I didn't find the ending that bad. I thought it was a bit rushed, and maybe a little sloppy but I don't think it really revealed any huge plot holes.

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To many people look behind the scenes of the movie for the answer to the ending. Remember, even if Hitchcock was told to make Cary Grant look innocent (which he was), there is still a good chance he would leave things in doubt regardless in suttle ways. Hitchcock always battled production codes and producers. To me there is no clear answer based on the way the film was shot.

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I think it's an open ending for the individual to decide if he is or isn't. But I always felt he was a devious gambler and killer while my mother thought he was the loving husband. Cary Grant certainly played his part very well making it extremly hard to disect his character's true intentions. Also, modern audiences may feel confused because, often, today's films leave hardly any room for imagaination.




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Considering how Grant's character was portrayed throughout Suspicion it would have been logical for him to be the devilish figure he was indicated to be. Yet as its known Grant inevitability had to be the good guy, even if his character was morally questionable. In one way it hinders what had been a greatly tense film yet to counteract this Suspicion engages us into Lina's paranoia, which psychologically was fantastic viewing.

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Errington's reference to Lina's paranoia, which should I think be more properly referred to as possible paranoia (or as the old saying goes, just because you are paranoid does not mean that people are not really out to get you), is a reminder that to some extent Johnny's responsiblity, or not, for Beaky's death and an intent to kill Lina is really secondary to the main subject of the film. Which is why Lina stays with Johnny, is attracted to him despite his flaws. To be sure the extent of his flaws is the open question, and in real life as in this film it is obvious that the question is how severe and significant are those flaws in relation to the question of how much sense Lina's character makes. After all, this film is really Lina's story, told through her perspective.

As the viewer, we see all events through Lina's eyes. Joan Fontaine is in nearly every shot. But as viewers we also see her character, and whether it makes sense or not.

Errington describes the context as one of psychology, and there is certainly an element of that to the film. But I think it would be a mistake to think of it only in psychological terms. After all there is little covered in the film in the way of shall we say peculiarities of Lina, other than the somewhat contradictory early images of her, first as a bookish, quiet, even mousy woman of almost indeterminate age, then on her horse flashing a smile of great beauty and an overall look of confidence. These are followed by the almost too obvious overhearing of her parents referring to her as a spinster, and the personal qualities also mentioned. Well, this may make for enough to understand what motivates her, as it does I think, but not much to work with in terms of some sort of psychological pathology. In short whatever paranoia she ends up with I don't think is intended to be seen as peculiar to her personality. Instead it arises from the context.

It is of course noteworthy that the romance between Johnny and Lina is extremely brief prior to the wedding. This to some extent serves as a plot device, since it explains why Lina comes to know so little about Johnny's affairs and situation. Before their meeting after a week's absence, we see Lina making phone calls and inquiries, attempting to find Johnny, with a slight suggestion that she may be doing so as some kind of stalking. But that suggestion seems later to be discounted, as her surprising (or is it really?) overt statement of love is not at all unrequited. No, Johnny more or less feels the same as Lina. Or seems to.

It is ironic that Lina's approach can and perhaps should be seen as a gamble, a throwing down of a stake in the outcome of a bet, which of course parallels one of Johnny's big vices. In that sense Johnny can be seen as Lina's long shot, when her only other bet seemed to be to fold, which is a metaphor for spinsterhood. As Johnny noted early in the film, those eligible bachelors in those parts were a rarity.

Perhaps today it is not socially acceptable in some quarters to see remaining single as something to be strenuously avoided. But Lina I think in her own mind sees quite clearly that it would mean a stultifying existence, remaining in her parents' home, bored to death. Johnny is certainly not boring, whatever other faults he may have. In effect Lina rejects that which at least others close to her see as her nature to pursue the challenging life she sees having with Johnny.

Engagement with the world versus the relatively cloistered life - what leads some to choose the former, despite the uncertainty and risks and even fear of the potential negatives? Perhaps I need another viewing or two of this excellent film to better address that question.

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Thank-you for your assessment. I read a summary about the book. There, no one is indicted, no arrival of the good guys to save the day. So I understand the film more and it's constraints with the strict production codes. If the antagonist had been demonstrated to perform the deadly deeds, the code would have forced him to be caught.

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In addition, the omission of several facts from the film, most importantly Lina’s pregnancy, provided little motivation for her decision to succumb to a passive death.

Thanks for all the information. I haven't read the book, but the film had me suspecting once or twice that she was pregnant, like when she fainted at the table in front of Johnnie and Beaky. While watching the film I expected to see what apparently was in the book, but those things of course didn't occur on screen.

I may have liked the film better had it stuck closer to the book. Cary Grant was actually extremely convincing as a potential murderer. He looked and behaved frightening enough in some scenes.


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If he really was a murderer trying to kill his wife, why did he save her life instead of killing her?

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My opinion has been spoiled by reading assessments of the movie and book. Body language says he is a killer. But there's enough doubt for the audience in the day to believe that the husband was not a murderer. But that he only wanted to protect her from finding out about his past troubles and his attempted suicide.

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