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the look of a condemned spinster


The idea is that Lina is likely to be left on the shelf. She's mousey and men aren't interested in her. When amazingly enough one man does take an interest, she's so grateful that she'll put up with just about anything, because otherwise it's back to grey and lonely spinsterdom till the grave beckons... But hang on, doesn't this woman bear a striking resemblance to gorgeous, sexy and irresistible Joan Fontaine? I know that it's inscribed on tablets of stone that star Hollywood actresses must be (very) good looking, but isn't this a script that would actually play better if the actress playing Lina never looked anything special? (This is no criticism of Joan Fontaine, whose acting in the role was excellent.)

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I honestly didn't think she looked anything special at all during the first part. When we saw her properly, I was surprised that she was much better looking than I originally thought. So it kind of worked for me.

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They can do the most amazing things with makeup and lighting. Compare Olivia de Havilland, Joan Fontaine's sister, in her roles in Robin Hood and Gone With the Wind. As Marion, de Havilland is unbelievably gorgeous. As Melanie Wilkes, well, plain would be the kindest adjective that comes to mind.

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Denham, in Hollywood the part of the "ugly/plain" woman can never be played by a really ugly or plain woman. It has to be a gorgeous actress made to look plain. The premise would never work with a really ugly woman. Nobody would watch the movie. The audience knows that the "plain woman" just needs a make-over and she will look beautiful.

Zanza is right. Both Joan and Olivia were beautiful women who very often downplayed their looks if the script demanded it.

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Katherine Hepburn played "Hollywood plain" in The Rainmaker. She may have been better cast in Suspicion for reasons discussed by OP.

As another poster suggested they could have made Fontaine more plain with make-up ala Bette Davis in Now, Voyager ... but they didn't.

Fontaine was just too damn good-looking. It bothered me too.

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Good point. I thought Lina was older, in her late 30s or early 40s, as she needed reading glasses and her parents were seniors. Joan Fontaine was able to get away with it in the beginning. She is called "monkey face" by Cary Grant's character throughout the film, but it ends up being annoying as her character is anything but. Her beauty comes through and it becomes harder to ignore.

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While I understand the concerns expressed above in this thread, I think it would be helpful to consider some of the contextual elements very much provided by the film to make this transition as it were more understandable.

First of all I am not so sure Lina's relatively less vivacious appearance when we first see her, in the train, was meant to be seen as literally unattractive. She was dressed conservatively, wore glasses and a hat (inside) that all added up to make her something other than the gorgeous woman we see her as later.

But that is not the same as saying she was literally unattractive, or even plain. After all Johnny does take note of her, and not just to mooch a stamp off of her.

It is true that in the next scene when he sees Lina on her horse that he says "That can't be the same woman!" But of course what he is really saying is that it very well is the same woman, and he is intrigued to say the least.

I take this to mean rather than the film submitting that Lina is literally plain, that she (at least in the earliest scene) CHOSE to present herself with a withdrawn, even uninviting, appearance.

Before returning to the foregoing thought, another element of the context here is that Johnny refers during the scene when he and the (I think it is the)Barham women come by Lina's house on the way to church, he says something which strongly implies there are not many attractive single men in the area. Later we see a fellow named Reggie ask Lina to dance, and they clearly are not a match made in Heaven. So there is Lina, living at home with mom and dad, no obvious candidates around her, and her parents overheard talking about her lack of prospects.

Now of course the film does not provide any backstory for why Lina is living with her parents, whether she had previous lovers, to what extent she may have chosen to withdrwaw from the world, and why. Nothing along those lines is even implicitly referred to. But it is fair to say there must be something. Let me put it this way - it is not necessary to understand the film as saying Lina literally arrived at her station and age in life never having "lived" as it were. All we need understand is that there is some risk that if she went on as she was living, at a remove from the world and no suitors around, even a NOT plain woman like her might be "risking" a life as what was referred to not long ago as an old maid.

Could she have moved to London or some other city? Why not? But she had not, and very well probably had her reasons for living at home. If on the other hand single men were literally "around", are we supposed to assume none would see Lina for who she really was? Of course not.

Introduce Johnny into her life, and I think it is not merely desperation triggered by overhearing her parents. She is at first reluctant to take a chance on Johnny, and then completely changes her mind. Because she finds him attractive.

Well, as the saying goes, changing her mind is a woman's perogative.

In short, the transformation makes sense to me. It is better understood in terms of the film's context than in some comparison of Olivia de Havilland's role in GWTW to some otehr of her roles, or for that matter to Joan's own work in Jane Eyre.

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In 1930s England, acceptable careers for a rich man’s daughter were limited and marriage was almost the only respectable option. With £500 a year from her father, worth over £25,000 a year now, Lina had no need ever to do a day’s work. The options of writing and of a lesbian partner, as exhibited in the case of Isobel Sedbusk, did not appeal to her. So, unless she met a single reputable man who fancied her, she was condemned to spinsterhood. Johnnie, alas, was not reputable and we are not for a moment expected to believe the sugary Hollywood ending.

So was her spinsterhood her downfall, making her an innocent victim of a charming rogue? Or was she partly complicit, seizing on Johnnie as an escape from a stifling life? At least he came from a posh background and would marry her legally, even if secretly.

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(This is no criticism of Joan Fontaine, whose acting in the role was excellent.)
I agree with all your comments. I like the film, love Joan Fontaine as Lina, but have real trouble reconciling her as "a dowdy spinster". Pulling back her hair and whacking a pair of reading glasses on to her beautiful face just made me giggle.

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She looked spinsterish in that first scene on the train. But it is stupid to have Joan Fontaine in what are meant to be dowdy parts. Although she does play timid characters so well.

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