Much is always made of the fact that we never know the name of the second Mrs. de Winter. But much more interesting is the fact that we, the audience, never see a photograph of the first Mrs. de Winter. Everybody extolls her great beauty, but there isn't a single photo of her in Manderley. Her clothes (and underwear!) are all in place as she left them, her stationery is still in great supply in the morning room, but there is not a single likeness of her in the house. In her bedroom in the west wing, there is even a huge photograph of Maxim, but not one of her. Only her monogram remains.
However, Isn't the large portrait, which Danver's suggests is another relative, actually Rebecca? The fancy dress that Mrs. DeWinter number two wears to the costume ball was actually Rebecca's dress? no?
the portrait doesn't seem to be particularly descriptive either so if it is her, which doesn't seem to be confirmed, we still don't have much of an idea of her face. dark hair and slim figure is pretty much all we get
No. The only connection was that Rebecca and Mrs. DeWinter wore that same dress as a costume. Hence Maxim's reaction and Danavers saying Rebecca pulled it off better.
I think there are two main reasons we don't see a photo of Rebecca. One is because it leaves her more a figment of the audience's imagination which gives her a greater power over the story. And also there is a point in the story where the second Mrs. de Winters tells Danvers that she is Mrs. de Winters now (almost suggesting that she has the power to become Rebecca). So if she evolves into being a Rebecca, then we don't need any other first name for her, and it's her face we're looking at, not a ghost's.
I've always thought we don't see a picture of Rebecca becuase that is part of the tension that exists between the subjective views of beauty alluded to and the if you will objective state or level of beauty of Joan Fontaine herself. Such relationship was not intended to be clear, and imo the viewer is supposed to see some conflict between the social construct of how others perceived Rebecca's beauty as part of her overall character and social presentation, compared to the second Mrs. de Winter's lower social standing, simpler manner of dress, makeup and hairstyle, and of course her shy and withdrawing manner.
While for the most part I give great credit to Ms. Fontaine for having pulled that all off, a part of me finds the whole notion of her having a plain appearance to be rather silly. She was in fact one of Hollywood's great beauties, and "objectively" was arguably a poor choice purely on grounds of a surface distinction between her and even the supposed great beauty of Rebecca Hentridge. (This was taken even farther with Ms. Fontaine in her later effort in Jane Eyre, but at least there the filmmakers used a variety of lighting, makeup, dress and other stylings to play down her natural beauty.)
But as the film progresses I think we begin to understand that while Rebecca no doubt was beautiful, much of hte putative distance between her lofty place and that of the character as portrayed by Fontaine is slowly understood to be in large part based on social expectations.
There is a specific part of the film where we see this at work. When Bea asks the second Mrs. de Winter about her hairstyle, and if she can't do something about making it better, she later asks Maxim what he thinks about her hair. On one level he is dismissive of the question, but I think not in the way husbands and lovers know to be careful with too much honesty when invited by their wives or girlfriends to consider giving a negative opinion about their appearance. I think it is more than that. I think he knows that while Rebecca was objectively beautiful, Maxim came to distrust the results of the efforts undertaken to maximize the effect of her beauty, the clothes, the time spent on her appearance, and all that sort of thing.
Joan Fontaine of course could and did previously portray characters that used a great deal of makeup and other fancy accoutrements of beauty, like her character in The Women. But here she was called upon to play a woman of a more natural sort of beauty, and no doubt her ability to do so was an essential part of why she was given the role.
But of course it is not only the viewer's understanding that is significant here, but also of Fontaine's character. The notion that Rebecca was more beautiful than her was part of what was feeding into her insecurity. Left to wonder what Rebecca actually looked like, we can imagine her imagining that in fact it was a great distance between them. But at some point we return to the objective reality of her own beauty, however much she downplays it with her acting and unpretentious dress and hairstyles. And of course there is also the obvious question why Maxim would choose a second wife who would be much less attractive than his first wife. The answer is that in fact he did not, and by the end we realize it is not only the absence of Rebecca's narcissism that makes his second wife the more attractive. It is that she is in fact very attractive herself.
This makes me think of this bit from Fontaine's IMDB Trivia page:
When her sister, Olivia de Havilland, was 9 years old, she made a will in which she stated "I bequeath all my beauty to my younger sister Joan, since she has none".
It's interesting that Fontaine was, at times, cast as a plain woman, in light of this rather cruel comment from de Havilland (it it's true, of course). Being perceived as less beautiful appears to have been part of Fontaine's "package".
And it makes me imagine a few parallels between Olivia/Joan and Rebecca/Second Mrs. de Winter...
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I have a hard time believing Rebecca is more beautiful than Joan Fontaine. Obviously it's subjective. But Fontaine is quite a beautiful specimen herself. I wouldn't give her lower than a 9. She was absolutely stunning in this movie. Couldn't keep my eyes off her.
Nevertheless, it is interesting that we never see an image of Rebecca, besides our own idea of what she would look like. And also interesting we never get a first name of the second Mrs De Winter.
Again I think the answer is contained in my previous post on this thread. It is that the second Mrs. de Winter was in fact beautiful, but she presented herself with a more natural, and in today's terms more contemporary, way than we can safely assume Rebecca used. The care and expense almost certainly employed by Rebecca would appeal to those contempoaries of hers, such as Bea and certainly Mrs. Danvers, who shared a social and cultural preference for it. But, Maxim did not share that view. At no point in the film does he ever say or otherwise indicate that he thinks his second wife is anything less than beautiful.
A key scene in taht regard occurs when they are watching the home movies of their honeymoon. the second Mrs. de Winter has ordered that dress she found in a magazine or catalogue, made up her hair differently, and nervously walks into the room. Maxim at first does not notice her, then himself somewhat nervously responds, including saying "Are you sure that sort of thing is right for you?" or somethng like that. But he goes on to say when he sees her seem offended something like you look lovely.
Later in the scene while watching the home movies he says something about how their children will see how lovely she was on their honeymoon. And she is stunning - when Joan Fontaine turned on her full smile, she was imo as beautiful as anyone.
The point being Maxim had something of an aversion to high style after his experience with Rebecca, and this led him to see the approach his second wife used as preferable to him. But approach aside, he always thought she was beautiful.
Well although Joan Fontaine did find herself cast as 'plain' heroines a lot, I don't think she's meant to be considered plain in this film. The only characters who view her as such are not meant to be seen sympathetically. What they're really getting at is that she's of a different class to them and thus isn't fashionable or glamorous enough. Interestingly enough, Joan's sister Olivia de Havilland was in a similar situation for Gone With The Wind. Melanie Wilkes is frequently called plain by Scarlett - but it's clear that Scarlett is jealous that Ashley fell for Melanie and not her. And Melanie opts for simpler dresses instead of the elaborate finery that Scarlett prefers.
The second Mrs de Winter is clearly supposed to be pretty, because Maxim falls in love with her and finds her beautiful. It seems to be that she has a more natural beauty - in that she can look lovely without going to any effort. In contrast Rebecca was glamorous and fashionable, but her attraction came mainly from her flirty personality and confidence. Notably when the second Mrs de Winter attempts to doll herself up like a magazine covergirl, Maxim finds it off-putting. So essentially she's the cute girl next door who's perfect just the way she is, while Rebecca was the vampy girl who needed the latest fashions and make-up.