I read that there was a scene cut from the last dvd release that offended some group. I know the laserdisc release was intact. Does anyone remember what was cut i saw that this will be released again in 2010.
shareactually, every home video release of fantasia is censored. the DVD just re-did the censoring (although it's considerably less subtle, like a BIG zoom in on a smiling centaurette's face in order to cut out the black centaurette tending her hoofs, and a red carpet rolling itself up to the throne for Baccus)
Don't look into the Death Star, or you will die.
I will have to watch the laserdisc again but i think it was uncut as it was the first release & only pressing of this to laserdisc .
shareThe laserdisc is censored. ALL home video versions and ALL theatrical prints have been censored since 1967. This is all explained on the DVD released in 2000.
shareThis is all explained on the DVD released in 2000.The only mention of the deleted scenes on the 2000 DVD is this terse comment buried deep in the "DVD Legacy" disc: http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2232/pdvd142v.jpg share
I noticed there are a couple of other big zoom-ins during that segment, although not as extreme close-up as the one you mentioned. A couple of shots where the film suddenly gets very grainy and the composition of the frame seems off. What else are they trying to hide?
shareI finally got to see the original footage. I had wondered why this carpet was going UP the steps all by itself. Now I can see that they digitally removed little Sunflower, who was unrolling the carpet up the steps. She's also been digitally removed from the rest of the shot, where she went around behind the "throne" and watched with a worried expression on her face as Baccus falls into the throne, causing it to tip in her direction before it tumbled down the hill and crashed. If you watch carefully, you can catch a slight disturbance in the background behind the throne to the right of the frame where she was.
shareI doubt the laserdisc is uncensored unless its from a different country or something. The movie has been censored (in the US at least) since the 60's.
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Why was it censored? This is deeply disturbing my sensibilites.
shareIt showed a black centauress, acting like a stereotypical Negro.
Supermodels...spoiled stupid little stick figures mit poofy lips who sink only about zemselves.
Thank you.
shareI saw the unexpurgated version of the 2nd and 3rd movements of the Pastoral Symphony on YouTube, with the black centaurette Sunflower.
In the 1990 rerelease and video version the shots with Sunflower are close ups so that she doesn't appear. For example when she first appears she's polishing a centaurette's hooves while the centaurette files her nails. In the 1990 version we just see a close-up of the caucasian centaurette doing her nails.
There's one shot where Sunflower dominates the shot, and they might be a jump in the music, but I didn't notice it. In one shot she's holding up a centaurette's tail. In the 1990 version we see a close-up of the centaurette, but it's a mirror image of the original.
These edits are well done. Most of the music remains in tact, and most of what appears on screen is the same as in the original. I didn't even know that Sunflower had been cut out.
Sunflower appears briefly at the beginning of the dance sequence. When Bacchus is helped onto his throne Sunflower rolls out the red carpet. Again they did close-ups for the shots with Sunflower. The sequence loses some of its comedy when it isn't shown in long shot.
When Bacchus first appears he's flanked by a pair of black centaurettes with zebras' legs instead of horses'. They only appear briefly, but they still appear in the 1990 version, so boviusly they weren't considered offensive.
Apparently Sunfower and Bacchus African centaurettes don't appear in the storm sequence or the last movement.
There was another video on You Tube attacking racism in Disney films. They included Sunflower and the African centaurettes, but they also said that the Crows in Dumbo were racist which is rubbish.
Disney's biggest attrocity was giving Winnie the Pooh an American accent.
More PC nonsense.
shareif they are that picky, then why not simply put a "warning" prior to the credits explaining the historical aspects of the show and all that nonsense.
shareThere have been a couple of Disney animated features released to home video as "fully restored" over the years that actually have been censored. (Think to their take on "Pecos Bill," or digitally removing a cigarette from Goofy's mouth.) Given what "fully restored" means, I think a reminder of what "truth in advertising means" is in order for their product packaging.
shareOh, I do hope the vocal opponents of sensitivity won't cry TOO much when they can't see a 'pickaninny' that's been excised from every release of this movie in the last 43 years...
shareWould you go back and recut GONE WITH THE WIND? After all, the character of "Prissy" isn't very PC....
shareI don't know, how many minutes long would that make it?
You kind of know what you're going into with something like GWTW, or SONG OF THE SOUTH for that matter. Reintroducing a crude anachronism that they pulled before most living people saw this movie would be a nice poke in the eye surprise.
I would agree with you on that except for two things: Photos of the deleted material have been floating around for years (reference is even made to them in the commentary track on this latest DVD), which has created a demand for it among animation fans, Disney fans and film enthusiasts alike. And in the last few years there have been bootlegs of the uncensored FANTASIA with that original footage intact being sold on DVD-R at various horror, sci-fi and film conventions. Since the studio won't make it available, it simply allows the bootleggers to profit.
It's sad that SONG OF THE SOUTH is still only available as a bootleg, as it means James Baskett's Academy Award-winning performance is almost a lost memory. Disney could have at least made it available as a limited edition Treasure Tin. (The LaserDisk releases have been used to create a Region 0 DVD, so the bootleggers have long been making the money from this that Disney could have had from sales here in the States. And the film gets shown in the U.K. fairly often, allowing folks over there with a DVD recorder to make their own copies, once more cutting into potential profits for the House of Mouse.)
It's a shame classics like Fantasia has to be ruined because of the lousy PC police.
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