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Is this the best gangster film from the old days?



Or should i seek out another one?


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Even if it was the best or the worst, you should still see othet gangster films of the 30s.

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Yeah i know but i was thinking that i should start with the greatest of all. Empire named it 'the best gangster film you've never heard of' so i'm quite curious to see it and if others view it as 'the best'

Looking forward to seeing Little Ceasar aswell


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For me, its a toss-up between this and "Angels with Dirty Faces."

I'm not crying, you fool, I'm laughing!

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Odd comment from "Empire" whoever they are. It's a well known film to anyone who watches classic films. It may be unknown to people who only are sniffing around the era looking at people's "top 100" lists are such silliness as that.

ROARING TWENTIES is a standout in many ways - it covers about 15 years in the history of the characters lives - approx 1918 to 1933. That's unusual. Plus most of the events it depicts werre still fresh in people's memories - much of the film is set only 15 years earlier. Much of the story involves characters that the author, newspaperman Mark Hellinger, knew personally. His written screen prologue and the opening narration set up the mood for much of the film. It's filled with high energy, great scenes and great dialog and memorable characters. It's not just a 'kill-fest' and I know people who have not liked the film.

It's pretty accurately regarded as the last great gangster film of the 1930s.

I've been watching it for years and I never grow tired of it.

And that fabulous WB studio orchestra and those orchestrations and great old songs!

*I saw some retro episode of One Tree Hill the other night that had scenes directly ripped or 'inspired' by THE ROARING TWENTIES. (Didn't help much , though!)

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"Like to laugh, eh?"
and good ol' Lefty who so politely lets one of the characters know that another character will kill her husband under circumstances which are about to possibly occur and finishes hiw warning with a friendly, "That's all", then smiles again and walks away.

and the classic Bogart line - (I am doing this from memory, so bear with me):
"Listen, "Havard", you came into this racket with your eyes open. You learned a lot and you know a lot and if you tell any of it, you'll go out with your eyes open, only this time they'll have pennies on them."

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Bogey, continuing dialogue: "Well?.. Go on, scram, beat it, get outta here, go home, chase an ambulance why don't ya?"

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connorarroyo-1

Thx. I knew there was a bit more, I just couldn't quite nail it.

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Well, the full name of the Empire magazine article was 'The best Gangster Films You've Never Heard of *probably'. So it's more a list of lesser known gangster films as opposed to the Godfather and Goodfellas etc.

The dialogue sounds brilliant. Should be good fun. and Boghart is always cool isn't he?

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Bogart is great in this film and it is one of the last ones where he plays second lead.

He and Cagney are a great match up.

Priscilla Lane is totally delectable.

Gladys George - they dont make them like her anymore.

Abner Biberman - good ol' "Lefty" - winds up working for Bogart, but has no real grudge with his old Cagney-Bogart gang pals - "Gee, I dunno know, Eddie.." He later became a director.

Frank McHugh - always good. Nelson Muntz stole his laugh!

Jeffrey Lynn - dependable and bland, yet keeps up with fast company in this film.


WB gangster pics had an edge to them that other studios could not match. I don't know why, but I am sure people have written long pieces about why.

Let me also recommend the surprisingly violent SHOW THEM NO MERCY from 20th-Cantury Fox in 1936. One hell of an ending.

Also - the grotesquely degenerate pre-Code "The Story of Temple Drake" from 1933 with Miriam Hopkins from Paramount, IIRC.

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donofthedial:

I'm 66 years old, and I thought I had seen all the old gangster movies. Thank you for making me aware of those last two you mentioned on your 7/17/09 post, and I will be hoping to see them on DVD. I've always been a fan of Miriam Hopkins.

Leonard Maltin says Show Them No Mercy was remade in a western setting as Rawhide (1951) (alt title: Desperate Siege), which I saw in a movie house new when I was child. It somehow hasn't been shown much on TV. Think I have seen it once in all my years of being a dedicated Night Owl Theater patron. Great cast, headed by Tyrone Power. Would like to see the orignal gangster version.



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oldblackandwhite

I just now saw your post for the first time. And you are very welcome.

I think I saw RAWHIDE recently and did not recognize it as a remake of SHOW THEM NO MERCY.

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donofthedial:

"...did not recognize it (Rawhide) as a remake of SHOW THEM NO MERCY."

Similarly, I was astonished to learn that The Breaking Point (1950) with John Garfield is supposed to be a "refilming" of To Have And Have Not. The only resemblance I can see is that the hero owns a boat in both. But then I haven't read the original Hemmingway story,THAHN, from which the Howard Hawks movie version is said to diverge considerably.

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THE BIG CLOCK was remade as NO WAY OUT with Gene Hackman and some big star (Kevin Costner?) in the lead. I watched the film for about an hour before I recognized it as a remake. Very skillful.

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"Gee, I dunno, Eddie.."

I never realized that Lefty was the inspiration for Wally Cleaver!

cinefreak

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"Gee, I dunno know, Eddie.."
I never realized that Lefty was the inspiration for Wally Cleaver!


Barney Rubble, too! As in, "Gee, I dunno, Fred!"

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It's my personal favorite. Other opinions may differ. Cagney is at his jauntiest and Bogart at his 1930's meanest. Great witty script, great period music. Priscilla Lane is a babe and the Warner stock company does their job with great zeal. I've seen this film referred to elsewhere as the 'apotheosis of the 1930's gangster flick'. It was the last big gangster picture before WWII came along and put an end to the genre for a while.
I do know that I've watched it many times and have not gotten tired of it.

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"Must-sees" from the 1930's include:

Little Caeser
Scarface
(1932)
The Public Enemy
Three on a Match
The Petrified Forest
Dead End
(the only non-WB gangster flick in this list!)
Angels With Dirty Faces

Agreed that, in many ways, "The Roaring Twenties" tops the list; by 1939 (the year that's famously hailed as old Hollywood's greatest year ever, in terms of top-notch classics), sound-era film technology and acting technique had evolved light years beyond the early "talkies" tech/acting style (including those of some of above-cited movies) and TRT is probably the most watchable of all the gangster flicks from that era and, IMHO, truly stands the test of time.

"The Roaring Twenties" gets better everytime I re-watch it! It keeps me glued to my seat from start to finish and has one of the absolute greatest finales in all filmdom! And James Cagney was never better (but came pretty damned close, ten years later, in "White Heat")!



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I first saw this movie on TV about 50 years ago. It has gotten better each time I have re-viewed it. The restored DVD which I just watched on my large-screen digital TV was almost like seeing it in the movie house.

As far as I am concerned, it is the best of the '30's or any other era. Some of the snooty-fruity critics like Public Enemy or Little Ceasar, or Scarface better. For me those were crude early talkies (though good for that species), whereas TRT was made at the time when the sophistication of the studio movies was mature. Also Cagney, Bogart, and all of Warner Brothers had lots of experience behind them in making gangster pictures. It is the apogee of the genre.

One could complain that it over-romanicizes the gangsters, but Warner and Cagney's White Heat ten years later would make up for it!

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One could complain that it over-romanicizes the gangsters, but Warner and Cagney's White Heat ten years later would make up for it!

Ain't THAT the truth!

Actually, I loved the three early talkie gangster flicks you mention and, whenever I view them, I can tell that the studio was trying hard to make a better product than the run-of-the-mill of the day. Despite their technological limitations, Cagney, Edward G. Robinson, Paul Muni and even George Raft were all terrific in those pictures and their performances, alone, make the creakiness and the dated acting style of many of the supporting actors worth sitting through each of those movies.

But you're right. "The Roaring Twenties" was timed right--1939, the year when Old Hollywood hit its zenith with more memorable motion pictures than any year before or (arguably) since!

You could argue that Cagney, as Eddie Bartlett, isn't "over-romanticized" because he wasn't "born" to the life of a criminal and his sense of mercy and fair play were deemed weaknesses by his enemies/rivals and even his so-called friends (like Bogie's character).



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vinidici:

****SPOILER ALERT****

We're riding in the same cab, pal, even if it does have spoked wheels! I love those three older gangster flicks, too. The reason I made the crack about the snooty-fruity critics (you know the type -- the ones who call what you and I call a "movie" a "film") have tended to dismiss TRT as a rehash of all the past gangster cycle cliches. There is some truth to that, but that is part of what makes it so wonderful. It is done with such style and verve, paints such a vivid picture of the Prohibition era, and has such a great cast, not to mention really swell music, it has always been one of my favorite all time movies of any kind. When I first saw TRT, the 'twenties were only as far back as the 'seventies are now. Even though I lived in a small town, I'll bet I knew at least a dozen men who had served in WWI. The period is so well done in TRT that it is almost like a historical document. Okay, let's get it over with -- The Roaring Twenties is the Gone With The Wind of the gangster genre! Frankly, Panama, I don't give a d___ what the big critics say.

I didn't necessarily mean that I, personally, think it over-romanticised the gangsters. Eddie had to be portrayed as having some redemming qualities so we can have a protagonist we can identify with. But he had turned into a bad guy and he knew it. Notice he was heading for a church when he died. This is always a problem making movies about criminals, whether it is Prohibition era bootleggers or the James-Younger gang. It is a well-warranted criticism that the movies always clean them up so much they come out looking like heroes.

I think that White Heat a decade later was Warner Brothers' and Cagney's answer to that no doubt sometimes stinging critique. In that top-notch thriller, which I saw in the movie house as a re-release, the criminals are unredeemed, double-crossing, cruel, stupid, murdering scumbags like they are in real life. And the cops are clean-cut and efficient instead of corrupt and bumbling as they were usually pictured in the '30's ganster sagas.

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No apologies required, oldb&w! Even what precious little I may vary in my viewpoints from the ones you've expressed can't make anything you've said about TRT (both here and in other threads) any less interesting and palatable enough to "put in one's pipe and smoke it!"

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vindici:

And thank you for your erudite posts on this and other threads and other boards.

Isn't amazing what a happy crowd TRT has attracted? Hardly anyone has had a negative reaction to this movie. I don't think I have been on a msg board as much fun as this one. Refreshingly absent are the types who bleep every other word and those with little tin drums they must beat.

Must be that The Roaring Twenties, without being shallow, came close to delivering the pure entertainment we all seek and most often find in the old black and white.


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Refreshingly absent are the types who bleep every other word and those with little tin drums they must beat.

SHHH!!! Don't jinx it lol!

I like your sig, btw...

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vinidici:

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This babe likes every WB gangster film that came down the pike. The "Dirty Rats", the hoods and the wiseguys. The Mopes and Mutts. The Honest Judges (Henry O'Neill), The Crusading DA's (John Litel)and the shyster lawyers (Charles Halton) The Dames (Gladys George, Glenda Farrell and Ida Lupino) and the Sweet Innocents...(Jane Bryan, Priscilla Lane and Joan Leslie)

Finally, Bogie and Jim. Bogie...who worked his way from "enjoyable" (Amazing Dr. Clitterhouse), to "hilarious" (Return of Dr. X) to sublime (High Sierra) He did it HIS way, always.

Finally, Jim. All I feel, and can say about Jim can fit into two words:

WHITE HEAT.

"Top 'o the World", Jim...and to you and Bogie, and all the inmates of "Sing-Sing West".....

Thanks for the memories, and God Bless.....

JS

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You stole my thunder!

Yes, this is absolutely the BEST of the traditional "early" classic gangster films. Why it is so overlooked is a mystery to me. It is "Hollywood" at it's best, with great stars, great lines, great script, great music, and a greater ending!

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Why do you say it is "so overlooked"? In comparison to another film or group of films?

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Given the cast, if it isn't one of the best, someone didn't do their job right.
Cagney and Bogart? I was just wondering the other day which films they'd been in together...very good timing on TCM's showing of this one!

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Very good film indeed, top notch, in fact. Oops, I just called it a "film", I must be one of those "snooty fruities" (jk)

Too bad they couldn't find a role for Edward G Robinson; that would have perfected it.

I'd add "Dead End" to the list of great Warner Brothers gangster movies

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