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A point perhaps missed by modern audiences


The full meaning of one part of the movie can often be missed by modern audiences and that is the scene with the elderly negroe at the Lincoln Memorial. Remember, this film was made in 1939 - 74 years after the death of Abraham Lincoln. It's quite possible that that elderly man was born a slave, he may even have a memory of seeing and hearing Abraham Lincoln himself. So while we, in our modern age, are quite removed the "ancient" history of the Civil War and view that memorial as a shrine, for that character a visit to Lincoln Memorial was a personal visit to his past and perhaps, to an old friend.

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mm yeah I got it right away, and considering whats recently happened in the elections its almost come full circle, we would think it ancient history but as this film was made in 1939 (as Gone with the wind and I know for a fact they dug up living veterans of the civil war for its premiere) its more than likely the character would have been alive

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You make a good point..Having seen the film dozens of times, I just this evening caught the man at the Memorial for the FIRST time (shame on me)

But..I dont know if I can agree with what you said. Folks in 19th century america did not live as long as they do since the advent of the industrial revolution. Better lifestyles and the science of health have increased tenfold.

Not saying you're incorrect. In fact, I like the thought very much and think you're brillant to mention it.

Here are some facts I dug up on life expectancies in the 19th century.

• At the end of the 19th century, the average life expectancy in the West was 37, but Queen Victoria lived to 81, Franz Joseph I of Austria lived to 86, and President Theodore Roosevelt lived to 60.

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The figures you mention account for the life span of all people at that time, including children who die very young. Nowadays, very few children die, at least compared to that time.
To illustrate this, look at this link: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html

What that shows is that in 1850, all people born then averaged 38.3 years*. However, if you survived until you were 10, you then had a life expectancy of 58. If you survived to be 20, you would expect to live to 60, etc..

Of course, the imagery does not necessitate that there be large populations of very long aged people. They only needed one.

* drat, I wasn't paying close enough attention, that figure is just for white males.. The post still stands, though.

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Since the first time I've seen the film, I thought it was a very moving sentiment to show what Lincoln meant to all people, regardless of color.

"I know you're in there, Fagerstrom!"-Conan O'Brien

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Absolutely true, and very likely that if that elderly Black man was not born a slave, his parents certainly were.

Another fact lost on modern audiences about that scene was the racism commonplace in Washington, D.C. at the time, which most definitely involved the Lincoln Memorial. The very same year this film was released, the great, Black opera singer Marion Anderson was refused permission to sing at Constitution Hall by the Daughters of the American Revolution. Through the intercession of Eleanor Roosevelt, Anderson sang that Easter Sunday concert on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. This was another reason that it was the centerpiece of Dr. Martin Luther King's March on Washington and "I have a dream" speech. Marion Anderson was there to sing again, too.



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Thanks for the background bbmaps

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The last Civil War veteran died in 1956, 17 years after this movie was released. So yes, people in 1939 - and quite possibly in this movie - remembered the Civil War and President Lincoln.

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Yep. I caught that right away too.

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I'm a bit offended by that sentiment considering that I'm at the ripe old age of 14 and understood such deeply moving and beautiful scenes.

However, I admit that at least 95% of the people I know of my demographic would be extremely bored by this work of art, thus the message is lost on their ignorant minds.

Regardless, please speak with a little respect toward your youth in the future. There are those of us who arent your stereotypical gore junkies.

"People will remember you if you talk like that."
-George Carlin

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Except that Lincoln didn't really fight the Civil War to free the slaves...

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^^^ True, but he was against slavery and he did free them and that's all that really matters.

George Carlin: It's all bullsh-t and it's bad for ya.

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There were former slaves alive at this time. They were interviewed by the WPA:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html




http://www.amazon.com/Save-Send-Delete-Danusha-Goska/dp/1846949866

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Thank you for the link. Very moving.

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