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Did England really use 90-year-old spies?


Seemed to be one of the most unbeliveable aspects of the entire film.

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I don't know how old "Miss Froy" was supposed to be, but Dame May Whitty was born in 1865. You do the math.

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They used a teenaged Audrey Hepburn during WWII, and she did what Miss Froy did-- passing messages. She smuggled some in he shoes, and passed some orally because she was multi-lingual. She was even involved in one real cloak-and-dagger operation, passing rescue information to a downed British pilot in Holland, because she spoke English.

Merely passing information was something many civilians were pressed into, as it allowed the government to take advantage of creative means of communication. Miss Froy using music as a code may not have been real, but it was the type of creative thing the government did. During the US Civil War the North had Deaf spies who passed information in sign language. They may have done the same thing during WWII, although I don't know for sure. The US did use Navajos, speaking a modified version of Navajo language (modified for a better 1:1 English word translation) to pass information during WWII.

The main goal was that the code not be detectable, and second, that if it was, it not be understandable. People were unlikely to suspect Deaf people as spies in the first place, and to record and decipher American Sign Language in the second place. Germans were unlikely to think that the US government would trust secret work to an "inferior" race in the first place, and to have anyone who could understand a non-European language in the second place.

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The most basic answer is:

Every nation has always used anybody who could get access to the information they wanted and was willing to supply it to them.

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Not even close to 90. She was in her early 70's. As for the question, why not? Older folks like that are the least conspicuous.

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Why? After all if you were looking for a spy you would probably keep an eye peeled for a James Bond type, not a nice old lady. You wouldn't even think about the nice old lady.

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'Did England really use 90-year-old spies?'


No they always used gentlemen dressed in a black trenchcoat with long black mustaches and a black fedora. Facepalm!

As someone earlier stated using an old lady is genius because no one suspects her. I don't know if its true, but I read Harpo Marx was used as a spy (smuggled some papers).


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It's the truth. He went there as part of a cultural exchange. He smuggled messages to and from the U.S. embassy. It's detailed in his book Harpo Speaks.

You've got me?! Who's got you?!

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I think it is rare to use an elderly person in the field, but it probably does happen occasionally.

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I don't think age is as important as not appearing suspicious.

They can't all look 'Hollywood'.


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The British Secret Service Bureau was formed in 1909; she may very well have been working for them for decades.


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Spies come in all shape and sizes!

Its that man again!!

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I'm not too sure if mature people have been used for spying. That's secret information. But as regards the carrying of information part of spying, I can't see anything wrong with it. It's fairly plausible. Pumping the enemy like Mata Hari is a different matter. I couldn't see Miss Froy being able to bed anyone.

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She was probably in her 60s. Not 90. She speaks about her parents still being alive, so she can't be so very old.

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