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Wow, I never thought I'd find a Hitchcock movie with no message boards. I felt that I had to put this up so that it had something!

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It's a Hitchcock movie that doesn't seem to have too many friends, but I thought it was fun. And it's a very early example of Hitch attempting complex and ambitious action sequences, amd mixing humour and suspense.

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Yay, somebody replied! I'm not the only person who knows this movie exists and has seen it.

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I'm slowly working my way through Hitchcock's early (pre-The Man Who Knew Too Much) British movies. "Number 17" has actually been the most pleasant surprise so far. Although "Rich and Strange" was certainly quirky and interesting. It's such a pity no-one seems interested in restoring these early Hitchcok movies - I suspect that a restored version of "Number 17" would be a revelation to a lot of people. But then there are so many great movies that nobody wants to restore because they're in the public domain.

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Yeah, the version I saw was pretty bad quality. It really needed to be restored. However, considering I was able to get it at the 99 cent store, I doubt that means there is a huge group interested in it. This is actually the oldest Hitchcock movie I have seen. The next two oldest I saw were Sabotage and The 39 Steps. I've seen all of his later work (Psycho, Vertigo, etc.). It's interesting to see where the great director started.


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Indeed it is an interesting movie but for fans only, the structure of the story makes no sense at all. I think he basically tested some horror elements here like shadows and doors and sounds, also tested is the girl that is rescued from falling (Young and Innocent, North by Northwest) which here is a couple hanging handcuffed together on a staircase and the train racing against other vehicles (The lady vanishes, Secret Agent).

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its a fun little film, very bad qualit indeed, i dont think it was ever restored in any way, the sound neither

regardless its fun to watch, especially for beginning filmmakers

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That is such a fun early film. Love the trains!

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The sound was driving me nuts until I found it's in mono. If you're playing it on stereo or multi-channel, try it there and it's much better.

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I am in 6th grade and am a huge Hitchcock fan. I borrowed the Alfred Hitchcock collection from my friend's dad and I have made my way to this film. It's pretty thrilling, but I can't make out much of the dialogue. I have figured out that the problem with the sound lies in it's poor isolation, because it picks up gritty sounds and doesn't bring out the dialogue, which was common in films made during this era. It needs to be restored.

JUST ACCEPT IT!

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The 2001 Delta Entertainment DVD played on a Samsung TV sounds better when it's in "clear voice" rather than "movie" mode. I'd say the sound problem is with the original recording done for the film. 1932 was still early in the sound era.

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This is a very fun Hitchcock film...and the plot is so complex! :D

I' m going to see it again tonight

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Anybody know why Ben keeps replying to the Fordyce character as "gov'nah"?
Is that early British slang for "guy" or some such?

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Yes, but there's an element of class structure in it, too. Governour would be one of his betters.

Number 17 is a very neglected piece of work and it bears up better the more it is watched and considered in relation to both Hitchcock's later work, and other examples of the railway thriller genre. Hitchcock seesm to have introduced unusual variations on the form. It is a very early example, and he has used a goods train rather than a passenger train. Contrast it with Castleton-Knight's
The Flying Scotsman or von Sternberg's Shanghai Express. It seems to foreshadow
moree polished work in Secret Agent and The Lady Vanishes.

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I watched it yesterday and I'm still a bit confused. I don't think it's such a bad film as some say, but... It had its good moments, OK, but it was more like "oh, here we are supposed to get thrilled" rather than getting thrilled actually. Perhaps it was the bad quality of the picture or the 21'' TV screen I watched it on, or maybe just the fact that so many decades have passed since then. Anyway, perhaps back in 1932 it may have been a quite good thriller, perhaps not. But today it's only worth watching for fun and curiosity (leaving out the academic-style comparative study of Hitchkok films).

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A diamond in the rough. The talent is there but the rough quality and early special effects will put-off some viewers. However, Hitchcock fans will love seeing an early work of the master.

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I enjoyed it - the old trains and buses but not so much the constant fainting and the fact that both the villains looked so alike! I'm sure Hitchcock fans would enjoy it.

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It's a shame somebody does not restore all of his old movies. I will never buy them in such poor quality. I believe some company out there could make at least a little money by restoring them and offering them at a decent price. Most are not classics, but they are Hitchcock, and that alone can sell the movies.

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It's the weakest film he ever made. Just about its only redeeming quality is the chase scene at the end, but even that doesn't look like much more than a tense episode of Thomas the Tank Engine.

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Just about its only redeeming quality is the chase scene at the end, but even that doesn't look like much more than a tense episode of Thomas the Tank Engine.


...Om

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Not too bad, but not one of his best. The train sequence towards the end is pretty neat, though.

...the candy-colored clown they call The Sandman...

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I'm curious. Which of Hitch's films do you think was worse?

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Well, that has to be Mr. and Mrs. Smith for me. Not because it's necessarily a bad film, but because it wasn't what I expected. I enjoy comedy, but it's not at the top of my list.

...the candy-colored clown they call The Sandman...

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No, you folks clearly haven't seen Rich and Strange. I didn't think it was possible for Hitchcock to make a film that was not only downright bad but also uninteresting at the same time, but that one certainly tops them all off. I'd rank it even below Jamaica Inn.

Number Seventeen was a nice surprise; quite an interesting little curio from a budding director who was only beginning to realize his full potential. As for Mr. and Mrs. Smith, I found it to be an amusing diversion, and quite funny in parts. It's the most unusual film project he ever undertook, but it works rather well on it's own level.

But one of Hitchcock's better early British films that few seem to know about is Blackmail, one that I'm surprised doesn't have more of a fan following.

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I agree with the earlier poster who said that this one felt canned. There were a few scenes that were interesting to watch, but much of the quirkiness of the story was lost to the flatness of it all - nothing really hung together because, as yet another poster says, he seemed to be testing out different techniques and methods of shooting things. Good for all of us that he did so, however, because he honed everything into such great stuff - so this IS interesting, for the fact that the fan can watch a retro-deconstruction of his later trademarks by viewing them in their earliest form...

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But one of Hitchcock's better early British films that few seem to know about is Blackmail, one that I'm surprised doesn't have more of a fan following.

So am I.

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I was very pleased with this film!!! I actually watched 10 of Hitchcock's British films in a single sitting, and this was one of the best. Much better than Juno and the Paycock or Murder! I think those two are the only truly bad Hitch films I've seen thus far, and I've seen 37 of his films.

And as for Blackmail - I just saw it, and it is superb! Definitely another pleasant surprise!

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This film (#17) might be great, but I'll never know (not with this print, anyway) The sound quality is AWFUL! It sounds like everyone has marbles in their mouths.
Bummer Drag...
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Trust me,
Swan

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Fixed it!! I switched my sound output to Mono, and then it was alright! And it was a very good movie, full of humor!! That's when I love Hitch the best!
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Trust me,
Swan

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It was a short movie, but quite a thrill ride!

"I know you're in there, Fagerstrom!"-Conan O'Brien

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I thought it was as well....I must admit I had a bit of trouble following it at times the first time, and....not that English is my second language, but at times I would have liked subtitles....

I did think 'Ben' was a most interesting character, and would have liked
Anne Grey to have appeared in more films....

"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five."

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Fancy meeting you here, Xylonian. A group of us on the Watercooler just watched this film together: http://us.imdb.com/board/bd0000101/nest/118351991

If Criterion ever makes the decision to restore all of Hitchcock's early work, the IMDb ratings for all of them are going to jump by at least a half-star to a star. The poor soundtracks for the talkies, and the bad music scores slapped onto most of the silents, are a major drawback to enjoying them.

This film is especially hurt by the bad sound. There's so much talking that it's difficult to figure out the plot, which I suspect would not be easy to follow in the best of circumstances.

Number 17 is crude, but very entertaining. It doesn't deserve the status of The 39 Steps or The Lady Vanishes -- or even Blackmail -- but it deserves to be seen for what it is: an inventive, entertaining thriller.


...Om

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I first saw something about "Blackmail" in the 1968 edition of the Encyclopedia Brittanica - in the movie article, it had a still from inside the British Museum - the large, I guess, Egyptian head. It wasn't until close to 40 years later when I finally managed to see it. It's a great film.

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Hi, Miss Rae! Fancy meeting you here. As I mentioned to Xylonian (have you two met?) elsewhere on this thread, a group of us on the Watercooler just watched this film: http://us.imdb.com/board/bd0000101/nest/118351991.

I really enjoyed this, crude and badly plotted though it was. The shadows and the camera angles and the sound effects (never mind the unintelligible dialogue; I think the soundtrack just needs to be restored) are all expertly chosen. Hitchcock's talent is very much in evidence, especially when he makes a chase scene with laughably obvious models exciting nonetheless. I'm very happy to have finally seen this one for the first time.

Anyway, my vote for worst Hitchcock? Probably Juno and the Paycock or Murder! Juno is just a filmed play, and not filmed very well. Murder!, by contrast, is very cinematic and experimental -- but unlike, say, Blackmail, his experiments almost invariably fail. It has one great scene: the climax at the circus.

I enjoyed Mr. and Mrs. Smith. It's not really a Hitchcock film; but it's a fairly likable screwball comedy. Carole Lombard makes any movie worth watching.


...Om

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While the movie definitely has it's problem, I don't think it is Hitch's worst by any means. I'm not saying it's very good, but Hitch has made some bad ones.
I've seen every movie he had made before this and I think all his earlier movies except the thrillers and the comedy The Farmer's Wife are worse. At the bottom of the list are Champagne, Juno and the Paycock & Easy Virtue.

Also, I don't think it's completely fair to blame Hitch for the shortcomings of this movie as he didn't even want to make it, but was forced by the studio and he was under contract.

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There are currently more than 40 User Comments on this movie… most of them are bad… but the tally on whether or not you agree with the comment fluctuate and never near 100%.

I adored this film. From the start as a wind blows the leaves of a tree and the camera follows the rush. The hat and the man chasing it which leads him to the mysterious house where tons of suspense is about to unfold.

I love the use of shadows especially. I didn’t mind the model trains that a lot of people seem to be flustered about. It was a fun film and I will watch it again.


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