Was Tom Gay?


There is a definite Gay undertone with Tommy throughout the movie.
All through his childhood scenes he is always putting down girls and even trips his buddies sister and is really mean. Then when his dad gives him the belt he says "How is it this time, up or down?"

Then when he's older, now played by James Cagney, he and his buddy Matt go to see Putty Nose who's playing pool. Puddy works the table and for one shot he bends over the table and shoves his ass right into Tom's face! Tom doesn't even move and you almost expected him to start kissing Puddy Nose's ass! As if he was saying to Tom, "Here my boy, stick your face in nice and deep!"

Later on he's getting fitted for his first ever suit and the tailor who is very obviously gay squeezes Tom's muscle and flirts with Tom like crazy and when he measures Tom's inseam it's obvious he's feeling Tom up and instead of getting angry Tom just gets up on his tiptoes. Then after that makes a kind of "flitty" girly move to the tailor as he leaves.

He seems to really get infatuated by Nails Nathan, who really looks gay with his makeup and girlish looks. In one scene he takes a call from Nails who's at the stables. He takes the phone the turns his back to the camera and then seems to put his hand down his pajama pants! After the call he's all grumpy and mad and shoves a grapefruit into the face of, guess what? A woman!

Tom had some major issues with women.

He gets really pissed of by getting "raped" by a woman.

Jean Harlow seemed a bit manly, she's big, tall and wears slacks,and then there's the really awkward scene where they kiss with their backs to the camera. She's in charge and sitting above Cagney. The whole scene is weird and the way they fall back, it's like saying "Tom doesn't know how to make it with a woman". The fact that she seems a bit manly maybe turns Tom on somehow.

All this and there's subtle little looks and grins and smaller things that add to this.

Anyone else see this undertone?



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No. I think you are looking for something that isn't there. I did notice that when he first walked into the bar as an adult, looking for Putty Nose, he did do something I thought strange at first. He walks in and just looks at the guy at the bar. Doesn't say anything he just gestures. The guy simply points in the direction of Putty Nose (they were expecting Tom). Tom then starts to move in the direction of PN but glances a couple of times at the lower torso of the bar guy. I reasoned at first that Tom was checking him out for weapons as I hoped he wasn't checking out ... his package. Not then. But after that I failed to see anything that hinted of your idea. They didn't do stuff like that back in the way back machine of 1931.

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I guess we watched two different movies if you say "..I failed to see anything that hinted at your idea." Not even a hint eh?
Of course like everyone else responding to this post, you also have to insinuate that I must be gay and it's all wishful thinking. Nope. Just an observation plain and simple. I had watched the movie twice that week on cable and didn't really notice the "gay subtext" until the second go around.
Next time you watch the movie, watch it with an unprejudiced eye and perhaps you will see more. I can't shake the sense that it is there. It's a very weird undertone, very subtle.

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Absolutely not....this is your minds own manifestation.Tom Powers tossing Putty Noses salad??
Freud would have a field day with your post-

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How could I forget-You thought Jean Harlow was MANLY???
It has been said that she never wore a bra and would ice her nipples down before each scene-under 24 at the time she had gravity defying well behaved breasts that say WOMAN....you obviously play for the other team...not that there is anything wrong with that.

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Wow! THAT'S the best you can come up with as a rebuttal?
"...you obviously play for the other team..."
You don't thing Jean Harlow was manly in this movie? That she was dominant over Tom? That she practically raped him? Read between the lines man!
At least come up with something better than a simple brush off that I must be gay.
It makes you seem very, uh, stupid and dumb. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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BUSKIEBOY-A Screen name like that says it all...

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And what does that mean? Do you even have the faintest idea where my screen name comes from or means? Nope. Now you show your true stupidity and ignorance. No wonder you can't debate a post in IMDB without snide remarks because you do not have the education or skill to post anything of any insight or clarity.
I feel sorry for you.

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Debate?
You are such a easy mark-so many others have curled your toes-I don't need to.
Besides,your intelligence is just too much for me.

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Why on earth would you think that? Tom had several girlfriends and obviously liked having sex with them. He wanted to leave Harlow because she wouldn't. And the taylor that measured him for his suits was obviously gay, and Tom acted very indignantly and even mocked him for being that way. Sociopathic yes. Gay no.

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Yeah, anyone Gay doesn't have girlfriends!
Gay men NEVER have sex with women, especially when they are not sure
about their sexuality and might want to PROVE they aren't gay.
THAT never happens.
You don't think that he would either consciously or subconsciously appear straight especially in a group of men that would probably beat the living crap out of him?
Or that he desperately did not want to be gay and willed himself to be straight?

Nah, none of that EVER happens.

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What? How is he gay? He's involved with Jean Harlow. He goes to the club specifically to meet women. If you look at Little Ceasar, also released in 1931, it's debatable that the title character from that film was gay. He seems to have an interest in his friend that goes beyond being platonic and he criticizes said friend's interest in women. William R. Burnett, the author of the novel, certainly thought the film interpretation depicted him as a homosexual.

But as for Tom Powers, the answer is no. If anything, he's more likely to be homophobic. Go back and watch his scene with the tailor. It's exactly 29 minutes into the film. Tom gets very defensive when the tailor starts making a pass at him.

Tom: [stretching out his pants] "Don't forget, plenty of room in there."
Tailor: [grabbing Tom's bicep] "Oh, Sir! Here's where you need the room. Such a muscle!"
Tom: "Make it snappy or else you're going to find out what it's for."

It's very rare to see such open depictions of homosexuality in an old movie. This was Pre-Code, but I don't think I've ever seen another movie from this era in which one man flirts with another like that. In any event, Tom seems to be exclusively heterosexual.

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So someone in the 30's who MIGHT be gay would want to at least appear to be straight. That happens all the time. Perhaps he's in conflict with it and forces himself to be straight when he is turmoil inside fighting with his Gay side?
Who knows? Maybe that's what the director wanted. All I'm saying is that the undertone is there.
Your single example of the tailor is only one instance. Re-read my original post and perhaps watch the movie again as well and judge for yourself.

At least YOU have the guts to actually discuss this honestly without the childish "You're wrong and YOU must be Gay!" *beep*

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Yeah, Powers dumps his hot girlfriend for Harlow, who as a man is passable; as a woman she's a dog.

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Do you go around this site and ask this question on every movie???

Are you so insecure in your homosexuality that you have to justify it in every movie ever made???

In a world where a carpenter can be resurrected, anything is possible.





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What's the matter with you? Someone can't make an honest observation without it being some kind of hidden desire? I am making an observation based on things I watched in a movie. If you can't debate it without lashing out and making insinuations then don't bother replying. Instead of simply reading the title of the post how about actually reading the post idiot.

What's the matter? You liked the movie so VERY VERY much that perhaps someone pointing out a potential homosexual lean in the movie makes YOU worried about YOUR sexuality? Maybe THAT'S why the movie appeals to you! You subconsciously think about doing it with the same sex? Did my post suddenly make you worried your Gay?

How about making some actual points without the snide remarks.

Do you troll around looking for comments to spew your BS on?

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Cause it's a B/S question to ask

The Post was B/S to

get over yourself

In a world where a carpenter can be resurrected, anything is possible.





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Yeah, it's BS to you because maybe it hits too close to home eh?
You're so scared about anything remotely homosexual makes me realize that perhaps you have homo thoughts?
You have NO debate abilities at all other than to pronounce a post BS!
I guess you're the IMDB God and you'll tell everyone what is OK to post and what isn't right? Just because foster1234 says so.

How about YOU getting over YOURSELF. You aren't impressing anyone with your empty words.

Go back to your cartoons little boy.

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There was a homosexual undertone to both Public Enemy and Little Caesar; pre-code films could get away with at least hinting at this when later
films couldn't. William Wellman, one of Hollywood's most macho directors, was able
to get away with this subtext in Public Enemy and in his earlier film Wings (which contains a scene of a pilot kissing his dying male friend on
the lips). Putty Nose's "boy's club" was similar to Fagin's in Oliver Twist--a smarmy father figure taking a group of boys from dysfunctional families under his wing and teaching them about petty crimes in exchange for
favors of some kind (left to the imagination). There's not much doubt that there
was something going on with a group of boys hanging out with the much older man,
who had to prove their loyalty and discretion to him. Many adult criminals were molested by adult males when they were children. Tom's adult shame at his
teenage activities would make it that much easier to rub out Putty Nose later.

Years later, in Bonnie and Clyde, Clyde would tell Bonnie that his first,
less-than-stellar sexual performance with her didn't mean anything; he insists
"I don't like boys!" In reality, Clyde Barrow wasn't averse to picking up various teenage boys during his adult years, but except for the presence of
C.W. in the film, this wasn't as overtly alluded to in the 1967 film.





I'm not crying, you fool, I'm laughing!

Hewwo.

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Thank-you!
I wasn't sure what I was seeing in the movie, and as I said I didn't really notice it the first time. It wasn't until a week later as I watched it again that I noticed the subtext.

I am a bit confused though as to why they did it. Especially if the director was a macho dude. And it's so subtle to boot. I guess they didn't want to make it too overt and alienate the audience?
Wouldn't there be a lax morality back then, perhaps spilling out of the "Roaring Twenties" and all of it's rather Dionysian lifestyles?

I'm surprised at the rather hostile reaction to my question about an 80 year old movie. I thought it was a valid question on an observation I made.

At the risk of further vitriol, have you ever seen "Cold Mountain"?
I swear there is another example of a lesbian subtext between Nicole Kidman's and Renee Zellweger's characters.

It is just a coincidence that I noticed that as well! Really!
I'm married with two girls and am not Gay.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!



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c'mon man, there was nothing gay about cagney in the movie. there was just the tailor.

but i do have to admit , the butt in face scene, was a wtf scene for me. buuut, as the movie progressed i forgot all about it.

anyway, seriously ur looking too much into this. he was picking up girls from the street and dumping girls. he was a player.

just my opinion here. so relax, if u think there were gay undertones. well so be it.

but if others didnt see it, dont bite their heads off.

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cal_culus3:

I have no problem with it one way or another, I thought I was an odd observance and thought it would be an interesting discussion here at IMDB. Boy was I wrong. LOTS of hate. It was only a discussion of a film.
I was not being political pro or con. People seem to think I am calling Cagney gay, but I'm discussing his character Tom.
I still think there was more to it. Yes he was picking up girls and dumping them, but that's what gay men do that don't understand they're gay. It is called over-compensation. They try to be extra macho to hide any gay feelings. It happens all the time. A lot of it is very subtle as I pointed out in my original posting. I'm not here to get into fights with people, just have interesting discussions about movies. I appreciate it if someone else doesn't agree with me, but when they make it personal, then I bite heads off.


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With all due respect, which you may not deserve, it is a matter of indifference to me whether or not there are homosexual undertones in the film. I read through this thread to see the kind of posts and responses there were. You make some points. However, I've rarely seen anyone react as irrationally as you have in many of your responses.

I'm not going to quote particular posts, since you can look for yourself. But you seem to be bent on convincing people there are homosexual undertones in the film and that if people don't see it they must be biased. Maybe you're biased? You say something about, "Watch the film with an unprejudiced eye."

Everyone has prejudices. Maybe yours is to see homosexuality where it doesn't exist? My next point is you overreact and accuse people of calling you gay, even when nothing of the sort happens. I believe that's what you write after the first or second reply to your post. You assumed people are calling you gay "like everyone else" when that isn't the case.

Furthermore, there were homosexual undertones in films during the Code Era. Hitchcock's "Rope" is a perfect example of showing homosexual undertones clearly and quite indisputably. There are many others which are suspect; films with men dressing in drag. But the bottom line for me has nothing to do with this: It has to do with the fact you are very rude and perhaps merely trying to be provocative, and yet you play the victim and pretend like you're playing nice.


As a man, Jean Harlow is passable; as a woman, Harlow is a dog.

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Thank-you Doctor.

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