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Can someone explain World War I to me?


It's humbling to admit this, but I'm a 28-year-old U.S. resident and I know very, very little about World War I. I have the sketchiest of sketches. I know it was fought in the early 1900s, and involved people with pointy helmets, but not much more than that.

Anyway, I really would like to better understand this very significant part of history, but I've found the Wikipedia articles hard to follow (a little too factual, maybe). Is anyone out there able to give me sort of a general summary in plain language I could use as a road map for future studies? (Who, what, where, and most importantly why)

I know this is an odd request, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask!

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That really helps. I know it's a broad outline, but it's a good "skeleton" for me to go on! Thanks for doing that!

I found "A World Undone" at our library, so I'll have to check it out!

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I checked out 3 'children's books on WWI from the library, they're condensed of course compared to the adult nonfiction books on the war but they sum it up pretty well all the hows and wheres and whys.

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I checked out 3 'children's books on WWI from the library, they're condensed of course compared to the adult nonfiction books on the war but they sum it up pretty well all the hows and wheres and whys.

Sometimes I'll check out the Simple English Wikipedia article if it's something that's notably complicated or unfamiliar and I just need the bare outline as a starting point. It's especially helpful with particularly complex scientific ideas where the regular Wikipedia article is a dense hairball of highly technical information.


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Then there's that.

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Great post, sc1957. I wasn't expecting any serious and helpful replies to this question, just the usual "Do your own homework" sort of replies (understandably). Like the OP, I've tried researching it and been stonewalled beyond my will to pursue it. It's a massive amount of unfamiliar information for most modern people to absorb. As you say, it was a different world, and most of the countries (empires!) involved don't exist anymore. And of course, we haven't absorbed the basic mythology of it by osmosis our whole lives like we have with World War II. In the U.S. at least, WWI is rarely even talked about. Thanks for the excellent synopsis.


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An excellent documentary was done by the BBC a few years ago called the Last Days of WWI, with Michael Palin as the host. I believe it's available on DVD, and it does give a good outline of what the war was about.

http://battlefields1418.50megs.com/last_day_ww1.htm

There is also a series done by Peter and Dan Snow (father and son) called 20th Century Battlefields, which I personally find AMAZINGLY well done and informative. They did an episode on the 1918 Western Front that was very good. I'd highly recommend the whole series (also on DVD), as well as their earlier series Battlefield Britain, which explains many of the most formative battles in English history. Even if you never heard or thought about these battles, the way they present it makes it very compelling.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0790798/

Finally, if you are REALLY interested in WWI, PBS did a very good documentary recently called The Great War. It's long (Ala Ken Burn's Civil War), but VERY informative.

http://www.pbs.org/greatwar/

It was in one of these documentaries (can't remember which one), where they showed a recent aerial video from a plane flying over areas of the Western Front, and even today you can still plainly see the remnants of trenches, bomb craters, and the horrible scarring of the terrain left behind nearly 100 years later. Pretty amazing.

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SC1957 offers a pretty good explanation. Still, it helps to understand that:

1-There was a certain semi-eagerness or acceptance for conflict amongst militarists and others in the Summer of 1914 - none foresaw the massive slaughter that awaited Europe.

2-The inexcusable German attack on neutral Belgium (to Attack France) angered many neutrals and helped spur Britain to enter the conflict against Germany.

3-Russia's Czar abdicated and was replaced by a provisional goverment that was later overthrown by the Bolsheviks in one of the tragic offshoots of that horrid conflict.

4-You might check GUNS OF AUGUST by Barbara Tuchman for more info.

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Gavrilo Princip.

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Blackadder and the causes of World War one in 2 minutes and 8 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHJDyAnL9RQ

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One reason you may not be as familiar with World War One, as opposed to World War II, besides its being more remote, is there are fewer movies about WWI. War Horse was set in WWI, and of course All Quiet on the Western Front.

Besides those two, Goodbye, Mr. Chips makes partial reference to WWI (some of the students are killed in the war -- and one of the German teachers). If you ever get to see The White Cliffs of Dover, which spans both wars, there is a performance of The Star Spangled Banner under circumstances that will make you cry. And Gods and Monsters includes a harrowing recollection by James Whale of his time as a WWI soldier.

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My mother said the reason why more people know about WWII is because they had all the pictures and the news footage of it for everyone to see, they didn't have quite as much of it for the first war.

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If you're still looking for information on this topic, I have a few recommendations.

The First World War by Martin Gilbert. Mr. Gilbert is a professor of History at Oxford, and this book is very readable. It's somewhat narrative at times, as he's good at presenting info from both the politico-generals POV down to the private soldiers and civilians.

The First World War by Hew Strachan. An excellent one volume history broken into 10 parts. This is also a 10 part dvd series from BBC which might be what another poster referred to.

The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman. A little bit older book (1960s) but a Nobel Prize winner, it covers causes leading up to and the opening months of the war in greater detail than the above. There's also an early 60s doc based on the book that I managed to burn from a PBS broadcast; I don't know if it's available now.

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In a nutshell, the first world war should be remembered as the first total war and industrialized conflict between nations of power, utilizing mass weaponry, persons, and nearly all of their assets in pursuit of a bloody and costly goal.

Loss of life on such an overwhelming and sudden scale had never been felt before so broadly. It was where the old ideology and nationalistic ideal of "fighting the good fight" clashed with the full effects of a machine that fed on the millions that were herded into it.

And with the advent of warfare technology such as artillery, tanks, and the machine gun, killing was all the more effective. Old strategies such as cavalry soon became obsolete, but unfortunately, mass charges for a few feet of ground were not. For the first time, returning soldiers were bringing with them the effects of PTSD syndrome that people were unable to comprehend fully.

Europe suffered immensely from this conflict. Because squads, platoons, and companies were recruited by village and town, that meant that all the men and boys fighting together in the trench were from the same area. When they died, that meant the entire populations of young people in the villages were wiped out as well.

France's population of men, in particular, was absolutely decimated. Loss of life on this scale was what ushered in a new era of morbidity and darkness for the 20th century not seen since the Dark Ages. And even when the soldiers returned, they faced the improbability of reacquainting themselves with a society that did not understand what they had gone through. A whole generation became 'lost'. And with the Second World War, came the rise of concepts such as existentialism, post-modernism, and nihilism among writers, artists, and thinkers. That generation of poets and writers were the voicepiece of the time period. The socio-economics of the entire face of the Western world was drastically altered.

It was a horrific time that caused many to believe that they were fighting so that no more wars of this scale would occur again.

Sometimes you have to lose yourself before you can find anything.

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Like the OP I was was quite in the dark about the nitty-gritty details of WWI and I'm reading The Guns of August now to remedy this lack of knowledge. It's quite good but very dense and very detailed; I think it's aimed more at folks who already have some background knowledge of European history. We watched All Quiet on the Western Front over the weekend and found it a powerful, haunting experience. I also want to comment that this entire thread is excellent and I appreciate the extra general background information provided by several here. It's a pleasure to read a discussion on IMDB that doesn't descend into name calling and petty arguments.

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The conflict's roots went back to at least the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71, in which Prussia and its German allies defeated France, and proclaimed a new German Empire. Germany imposed a harsh treaty on France, forcing it to pay reparations and cede the Alsace-Lorraine territory (which was largely German-speaking, but had been part of France for two centuries) to Germany.

The treaty was intensely resented in France, and its leaders vowed to someday retake the Alsace-Lorraine territory. France was diplomatically isolated for a while, but in the 1890s it managed to form an alliance with the Russian Empire. Later, Great Britain (which became concerned about Germany's rise as a maritime and commercial power) joined the alliance. In response, Germany formed its own network of alliances, with Austria, Italy (which later switched sides), Bulgaria and Turkey.

The alliances on each side required a country to declare war if any of its allies were attacked. For awhile, it seemed that the existence of all these alliances would head off warfare, but finally, a seemingly isolated incident (the assassination of the Austrian archduke) led to Austrian attack on Serbia, which led to Russia declaring war, which triggered more general warfare.

After four years of absolutely brutal warfare that accomplished little, the Allies (which by now included the U.S.) finally broke through for a decisive offensive, and Germany, running out of resources, agreed to an armistice. The Treaty of Versailles would then be dictated to the Germans. WWI was supposed to be the "war to end all wars," but the victorious allies repeated the mistake of 1871 by imposing harsh terms on the defeated Germany, which later vowed revenge, and then WWII came...



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Good, but also not completely correct. In 1914 Germany had a mutual assistance pact with Austria-Hungary, Italy and Romania. Russia was relatively loosely allied with France, and to an even lower degree with Britain (they had no mutual assistance pact, because they all were afraid to be instrumentalized by one another). Belgium had been neutral since the signing of the Treaty of London in 1839, that had become a cornerstone of European politics.

In 1914 an Austria-Hungarian archduke was assassinated in Serbia, and Austria-Hungary went bonkers. They thought the Serbian government had their hands in the assassination and requested the permission to carry out their own investigation, which Serbia refused, after Russia told them they would protect them. So Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia and attacked Serbia. Russia mobilized their troops, and Germany requested them to stop. Russia refused and Germany declared war on them and France. Germany then requested Belgium to allow them to transfer German troups through Belgium to attack France, which Belgium refused (they were neutral after all). So Germany told Britain that they would invade Belgium and that Britain shouldn't go to war with Germany over a shred of paper. The Britains didn't take that so well, and when Germany invaded Belgium (without declaration of war) the British declared war on the German Empire. The Italians chickened their way out of the mutual assistance pact by telling everyone that Germany and Austria-Hungary were the aggressors and Italy was neutral (they were later bribed by the allies to join their side and entered the war in 1915). Six days after Germany had declared war on Russia Austria-Hungary also declared war on Russia, even though they were the reason for Germanys declaration of war in the first place.

If you had asked all rulers of their respective countries in 1914 all of them would have told you that they had no other choice and that it was not their fault the war began. But all sides were actually quite happy that it did begin (that also included the general populations).

By the end of 1916 the war was basically at a stalemate, no side was strong enough to overthrow the other, but then in February 1917 the US entered the war, basically for economical reasons, joining the allied side. Also in February 1917 the russian revolution started, leading to not one but two new Russian governments (a democratic one and the Sowjets), but they both decided to go on with the war. It was not until Lenin and his followers (who were able to return to Russia from exile in Switzerland with the help of Germany, partially even using German trains) overpowered the democratic government (Russian October Revolution) that Russia decided to end the war, basically ending the war on the eastern front. Ironically, the Germans helping Lenin return to Russia later lead to Germany being split into two states after WWII, if Kerenski and the democratic revolution had won, who knows what would have happened?

In 1918 Germany was still able to fight on (allied troups had not entered German mainland when the war ended on November 11, 1918) and could probably have fought for another year (which would have lead to the complete destruction of Germany, much like the end of WWII did), but the general German population was tired of the war, and when German High Command decided that the German Navy should go down in one last glorious battle the seamen simply decided that they didn't want to carry out that suicide mission and mutinied. The general German population joined them and forced the German Emperor to resign (German October Revolution), and German politicians declared Germany to be a republic and surrendered unconditionally to the allies (the military High Command declared that the war wasn't their problem any more, so the civilian leaders had to surrender, and Hitler later claimed that those civilian leaders had basically been traitors and that if they hadn't surrendered Germany would have still been able to win the war, the so-called DolchstoƟlegende, of course that wasn't true).

Also the harsh terms the allies forced on Germany (and to some intend on Austria too) were only one of massive problems that lead to WWII. The situations aren't quite comparable though. In 1914 almost anything could have ignited the war. Yes, Germany was the first one to declare war, but any of the sides were eager to go to war. In 1939 the British didn't want the war and had done quite a lot to prevent it from happening (they had basically ignored Hitler breaking the peace treaties and almost any other contract he signed) and if it hadn't been for Churchill they may have made peace with Hitler in 1940. They still remembered the horrors of WWI, the Germans had started glorifying it instead. So if Hitler hadn't started WWII, it wouldn't have happened.

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There was ONE and ONLY ONE cause for that war: PROFITS.


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Some very good essays above, but one point that should also be mentioned is that, unlike previous wars and WWII which followed it, WWI was known for the static nature of the front (on the "Western Front" separating Germany from France, anyway). For most of four years, neither side was able to achieve a significant breakthrough and advance past the enemy's trench lines. This was caused by the military technology of the time (machine gun and artillery)and, to a lesser extent, doctrine. Toward the end of the war, certain techniques (sturmtruppen, also called stosstruppen) and technology (tanks) were developed which would later allow breakthrough (called "Blitzkrieg" in WWII).

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