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Exposure of a Philistine - The Coppolla Factor


I hate to be the bearer of bad news and would never go out of my way to smear someones reputation, but this is disgusting. If you consider yourself a cinephile, then read about what Francis is doing to Abel Gance's "Napoleon".

Here's a link to the full discussion and story, told by someone who knows what he's talking about:

http://www.criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1414


Part of the most important post:

"Recently, Coppola’s lawyers sent a heap of threatening papers to the BFI. That the 2004 screenings DID go ahead in spite of Coppola’s threats was an encouraging sign, but any hope of further screenings or a DVD emerging has now been set back indefinitely.

Also, as the final paragraph of the latest edition of Brownlow’s book on the restoration said, a fragment of film has turned up in Denmark that may be the last existing piece of NAPOLEON that will be found. I was lucky enough to be shown this brief piece of 35mm film: it is an incredibly beautiful conclusion to an early scene. This new fragment means that a slight alteration of the existing print is necessary, along with an alteration to Davis’ score. However, whether this will be able to seen is another matter entirely. Coppola and co. are suppressing this masterpiece in a continued display of unbelievable selfishness and philistinism.

Francis Ford Coppola had been so impressed with NAPOLEON when he saw it at Telluride that he decided to fund a restoration and get his father to compose music to accompany the film. Meanwhile, Thames Television sponsored Carl Davis to write a score for the UK version of the same restoration. The new restoration was screened with Davis’ score in London in 1980. This same version was then given to Coppola and his Zoetrope Studio. In October 1981, audiences at Radio City saw the film with Carmine Coppola’s score. However, the US version of the film was not the same as the UK version. Coppola not only removed sections of the film to decrease the run-time, but also showed the film at 24 frames-per-second, instead of the correct 20 fps. Yet, despite these fundamental changes, Coppola still announced his version was “the restoration”.

Not only was the fps incorrect and the film cut down, but the tinting done by Robert Harris and Zoetrope further adds to the detriment of the Coppola version. Brownlow had kept a precisely detailed record of the original tinting patterns from the original prints he had examined. Fully aware of this, Harris and co. went ahead with their own tinting (another example of their inadequate preparation for their version). The tinting in the Coppola version alternates between unnatural, synthetic-looking colours, a washed out blue, a hideous red-pink, and violent reds and oranges. It is often over-saturated and nearly always ugly.

Other than the final triptych blue-white-red, the 1980s UK version was not tinted. The latest restoration, however, is tinted and toned using original dye-bath methods (thanks to the work of Joao Oliveira). The results are spectacular – rich, authentic colours, beautiful saturation…

"They claimed their cut version was ‘the restoration’. They decided not to take advantage of the 1983 discoveries, and the version they still distribute, to my embarrassment, has all the crudities and all the mistakes of my first effort. It must be the only case in which a restoration was heavily cut and then claimed as more of a restoration than the restoration itself.” (Brownlow, Napoleon – Abel Gance’s classic film, London: Photoplay Productions, 2004, p. 239.)

"Coppola et al.’s schemes are currently to simply stall the Brownlow/BFI version from being seen/heard/put on dvd. However, he HAS made the demand for the new footage to be given to him and Zoetrope. This demand accompanied Zoetrope’s proposal to expand Carmine Coppola’s score to fit the extended 330+ minute version. Given that Coppola’s current version and thus his current amount of music amounts to only 225 minutes, this leaves him over 100 minutes short of music. The composer of his music is also deceased. The degree of absurdity in demanding footage from people one is trying to sue simply for having that footage and wanting to show it is remarkable."


Please, please, please take some time to read the rest of La Clé du Ciel's post. This is inexcusable, modern day iconoclasm and should not be tolerated.

Also, bear in mind that I've taken samples of the thread and that to have a total grip on the story and how audacious it really is, you'll have to read the whole account.

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I like Francis coppola films, but what he is doing to abel gances materpicece is outrageous, the retrictions and road blocks he is putting up to prevent a full version of napoleon to be seen is frustrating to say the least. The brownlow version of napoleon is way better then coppola choped up version of the film, and coppola knows this. I will forever look down on coppola for retricting a masterpiece like abel gance napoleon. If coppola does release the righs(which is unlikely to happen) then maybe I will respect coppola. I'm sure if abel gance was still alive he would want to see his film presented in the most complete form possible, not in a half washed version. Coppola outta feel sorry for himself, he's made masterpices like the godfather trioligy, and apocalypse now, I'm sure he wouldn't like his films to be shown in a bad way, then why do it to abel gances film?

I like to thank brownlow and bfi for restoring this one of a kind masterpice, i'm sure it was very hard to get all of the lost footage and restore this film. There are rumors of 3d footage being found;I don't if this footage will ever make it on to a new version of Napoleon, but I hope it does. This film is truly an unseen masterpiece to the masses, and I'm praying that victory will prevail for brownlow/bri version and carl davis and all other's who worked on this film.

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This needs a bump as nobody seems to be aware.

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I actually haven't seen either version, but I think it's just sick that such a talented man would be suppressing a historical film like this, just to maintain his image as "the restorer."

It REALLY isn't worth a sue, Mr. Coppolla!

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Damn right it's not worth a lawsuit.

The worst thing is that the BFI are practically complicit. They haven't supported Brownlow at all (although I don't believe he has been too vocal either). They have no balls whatsoever. They have their own magazine, sight and sound, as a platform to talk about stuff like this and they're not prepared to use it. I even contacted the editor, but got no reply.

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I was lucky enough to find a VHS of Coppola's version (Of course) in a little shop, but we all know that if a new version, in the hands of someone else than the Coppola, was released, it would be way more avaible... At least on DVD. I'll buy a douzen copies and give them to friends. Or swimming in them would be like swimming in a masterpiece.

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My regard for Francis Ford Coppola really has taken a big nose-dive due to this info. Thank you for enlightening me to these selfish actions.

He needs to be stopped and this brilliant film given a release and an actual restoration (i.e. displayed as it was originally intended by the director) like it deserves!

Shame on you FFC!




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I agree. I just can't understand why Coppola will allow for his films to be presented the way it was meant to be, yet still will forbid any other version of Napoleon (no matter how close to the original version it may be) to be released or shown anywhere.

I've read other posts on how Coppola is so rigid on saying that his version IS the definitive one. I find that impossible to believe when I've seen stills on how the tinting looks horrendous compared to the better looking restorations and how his father's score fails to match the mood of some key scenes in the film and that Carl Davis' score does.

In short, Francis Ford Coppola, one of the cinema greats, has turned a blind eye to Napoleon, a film that should deserve to be seen as it was intended. This action is a blind injustice and a crime to cinema in general.

Note: I'm not going to say this for the reason that I hate Coppola, but I'm so ashamed and upset by his actions that it makes me almost want to disown every film of his that I have in my collection and not buy any more of them.

If you feel the same way then go ahead and do it, but I don't hate the man, just his feelings regarding Napoleon.

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Any news on the Coppola front? This thread is several years old now. What's happened since?

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Bump-lump-a-re-bop.

--Jack, you have debauched my sloth!

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I do hate the man.

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He's a great artiste and as such, he should steer clear of the business world!

--If they move, kill 'em!

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Did they reach some sort of agreement? The new version is announced to be shown in San Francisco in 2012. Zeotrope is mentioned as one of partners in this.

When and if it is released on Blu-ray, Both versions of the score (obviously with some exensions for the Coppola score) would be nice.

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I agree. I know Carl Davis is considered THE guy for silent film scores, but the ones I've heard have never impressed me. Nothing wrong with them, just totally unmemorable - musical wallpaper. I liked the Coppola soundtrack just fine, and I'd like to have the choice between the two, or even more. Buster Keaton's "The General" was released on dvd with FOUR different soundtracks. And yes, Carl Davis wrote one of them, and I prefer one of the others.

Flat, drab passion meanders across the screen!

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Have to agree there I'm afraid. I finally saw the Brownlow restoration last week, and while it was thrilling to see new footage, I found the score underwhelming to put it mildly. As much as I disaprove of Coppola's behavior, as long as the "definitive version" is bogged down with this tedious soundtrack, I'll prefer the one with Carmine Coppola's music.



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