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So where IS the missing footage?


I have seen the film and I have heard the stories. Erich von Stroheim's brilliant adaptation of Frank Norris' "McTeague" was taken out of his hands by Irving Thalberg, and cut from 10 hours to 2. Stroheim reluctantly compromised his original director's cut in favour of a more commercial entertainment.

So what exactly happened to the missing eight hours? Is it merely lost, or has it been completely destroyed? As was usually the case with films back then, like with "The Magnificent Ambersons", unused footage was destroyed and rendered for its silver nitrate content. Is this the case with Greed, or is the footage still out there, waiting to be discovered?


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Most likely there are no surviving prints of the original von Stroheim cut. The unused and cut footage is said to have been rendered down for the silver nitrate.

While I understand the desire of Thalberg to create a commercially viable product for Metro, I verge on being physically ill when I think of the brilliance that was lost with such brutal editting. I can't help wondering if Thalberg was getting back at von Stroheim in some fashion for how difficult von Stroheim was.

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"The unused and cut footage is said to have been rendered down for the silver nitrate."

It was a common thing at that time. Thalberg was revenging that, when he tried to fire Stroheim of the directing of The Foolish Wives, and Stroheim laughed at him, because he was the star also, and therefore it would be impossible to make the film. Stroheim also had a fight with Mayer: Once the last one asked "You consider myself a scoundrel, isn't it?" And Stroheim answered something like: "You're not even in this level", and then Mayer punched him in the face.

BTW, isn't ironical the fact that in the 30's, MGM become famous for family films?

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I heard somewhere that there is a full print of GREED,locked and stored in a french film archive vault,and has been screened by a very select few.I believe this is a urban legend,like the identites of the men who shot JFK on the grassy knoll.If any film in the history of films needs to be restored,to it's 9 hour cut,it is this film.Even in it's mutilated present state this is a brillant and fascinating film.This film has been called the holy grails,of film.I am sure if this film was in a attic,closet,vault,etc.it would have turned up by now.

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that particular story is most likely an urban legend. but I still believe that some day parts of the missing footage could turn up. take for example the finding of the effects reel for Metropolis in East Berlin just a few years ago (http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/showarticle.php3?ID=52). anything is possible.

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I guess Mayer must have been a real prick. Can't the man argue without the slugfest? I heard he coldcocked Chaplin. CHAPLIN!!!!



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It's so old that I doubt there is any surviving footage, though I could be wrong, after all, look at Dreyer's The Passion of Joan of Arc. Anyway, I really hope that if there is anything that could be made to give a complete version, that it would be done. I would love to have a DVD, only there has not been a release by any company as of yet.

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I don't think the missing footage will ever turn up. It's not like other movies that were released then cut - the cuts here were made before any distribution prints were struck. And no way was the studio going to let Von Stroheim anywhere near the print after they seized it.

I guess it's possible that someone snitched pieces as souvenirs, but 80% of the movie - eight hours' worth? That would have been robbery (because of the silver content) and this was a high-profile hatchet job. I just don't see enough of it showing up to add much of substance to what's been reconstructed in the last ten years.

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I agree dagrattle, your logic seems sound. The footage is most likely lost. I mean we've just had this wonderful sounding discovery of a complete print of Metropolis in Argentina. But that is a print, not a negative, and it was actually distributed. "Greed" in the pre-Thalberg form is not something that was ever produced beyond probably one or two prints.

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Here's the thing:

There's a theory on alien life and all that stuff that echoes anything like this: SO much would have to happen (aliens would have to know how to hear our signal, be looking for it, be willing to respond, and so on) that the likelihood is a complete print will never be found.....

For example:

Just SAY somebody "stashed" a full copy under the floor boards in a basement back in the day. This basement was converted into a small bar in the 1940's. The owner of the bar re-did the floors in the 1950's and found the 10 reels somebody had stashed years ago. Not knowing what the hell they were, he tossed them away without a care. There goes your one print.

While that's a pointless example: Sure, a copy likely exists, or at some point existed, somewhere in this world. BUT, the question is if or when it is or was found...does/did the person who finds it know what to do with it? Do/did they care? Has/did it fallen apart? If it had/did, how would anybody have known or would know what film it is/was?

Point being that I don't doubt SOME element of the missing footage exists, I just don't think most people would have or would be able to ID it (or care) if they found it and think it is or was just another piece of junk.

Just hope, if it is out there somewhere, somebody who knows what it is and what to do with it....finds it. :)

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HonestAbe; GREED (1924) was filmed on 'Nitrate Film', NITROCELLULOSE. A highly unstable and flammable substance. Even with proper storage it will decompose, first rusting away then turning into a GOO! Storage must be carefully climate controlled, in dry and very cool conditions, preferably underground. NITROCELLULOSE is still in use today, mostly in Pistol and Rifle propellants. It was also used as a solid fuel propellant for tactical rockets like the Soviet/Russian Katyusha during the Second World War (WWII).

Since film stock NITROCELLULOSE had high quantities of SILVER, it was usually recycled. Other then the master prints, all nonessential footage that was edited out or returned prints were salvaged for this SILVER content. At UNIVERSAL they used to have a annual party were a 'Bonfire' of superfluous films were burned. The original master of the THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME (1923) was disposed in one of these ways since NONE of the original 35mm masters exist. Paramount also was none too careful of its filmed heritage. Never seeing a future for their films. Except for Cecil B. DeMille, who did not throw away anything!

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