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So how is this not on the top 250 list?


I mean i know its a popularity contest, fanboys, cgi, no one likes good movies, whatever excuses aside the list seems in complete without the literal father of the twist ending and the entire ORIGINAL horror genre in general. This is practically if not the first horror story written for film not based off a play or a novel a completely original story, marvelous in every aspect of its being, I mean like I said there are alot of excuses on why this wouldn't be on the top 250 list...but for shame IMBD i think we expect better from you.

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It's because there arent enough total votes, more votes would definitaly increase its "formulated average"
but I agree with you, this film is the father of the horror genre



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It's terrible I know. This is like top 50 material

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Take a look at the break down of the ratings. They are bizarre... weirdly inconsistant

Under 18 (129) - 9.1
45+ (1723) - 6.9

Females under 18 (25) - 9.8
Females 45+ (416) - 4.7

The bracket numbers are the number of votes from each group of people, so as you can see very few young people have voted for this film... but still I thought that it was really weird that under 18's have voted a silent, german expressionist, film from 1920 2.2 points higher than 45+ aged people. One would think young people would be less appreciative of this kind of film. My guess is maybe it's only people who are REALLY interested in cinema who could come across a film like this at such a young age, and thus enjoy it more than older people who have just come across it due to their extra 30 years of cinema viewing.

But the swing between teenaged girls and 45+ women is amazing, nearly every girl of the 25 gave it a 10 and the older women gave it LESS THAN A 5. Haha, so strange.

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That's interesting....

Something like that happened on Ikiru too. It was essentially concluded that people had given it 1s simply in order to knock it out of the Top 250 and get their favorites in. (Interestingly, Ikiru ALSO had lower averages with women, which got progressively less at higher ages, if I remember correctly.)

However, seeing as this movie wasn't in the Top 250, that would be a pretty pointless tactic. Unless it was once in the Top 250? Does anyone know?

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Well I just gave it a ten, so hopefully I've done my bit



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i prefer it when a wicked movie that i love doesn't get a mass thumbs up from the world. It makes me feel like i know quality when i see it.


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Well I just gave it a ten, so hopefully I've done my bit
Me too.

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The father of the twist ending? Isn't that a silly claim? While it may have been the first MOVIE with a twist ending, it surely didn't invent them. It doesn't deserve that much credit just because it was the first to utilize it in a new medium. And I stress new.

As for being marvelous in every aspect of its being... how can you possibly even hold this opinion? Given the time alone, the word "flawed" is almost implied. There are so many things here hindering the immersion. Changes in angles that also change THE ENTIRE BLOODY SCENERY for one. Secondly, the extremely unclear emotions portrayed despite the severe overacting. Editing is another issue, with things being, again, unclear.

Of course I could be alone on some of that, but it feels like I would have to watch this multiple times to just get the basic aspects of it, the things that should be obvious. It's really kind of a mess at times. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate films that require multiple viewings - but not in this way! More so, seeing clues about the twist in advance or such things. Not to confirm what the bloody hell is even going on.



Good movie overall, and very eerie, but in my opinion highly overrated. Classic, though, for sure. Love these sets. Highly artistic movie. Add to that the framerate and weird cuts, both which make people's mere movements look very surrealistic, and it's pretty creepy to boot! Ironically, I think this movie is in many ways more effective today. They likely took the framerate issues and jumps in frames for granted back then, so that probably added little for them. Certainly less outright scary today, but the atmosphere... The atmosphere!

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Very good, Louis. Short, but pointless.

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People having differing opinions on movies?! What is this world coming to?!

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because IMDB is full of idiot. it's simple as that

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