[deleted]
[deleted]
Attractive?
share
MovieChat Forums > Beto O'Rourke Discussion > [deleted]
No.
shareThink about this. If you know anything about him, you know that he skateboards, that he does drugs, that he's a Democrat, that he's rich, that he's cool, etc... You probably don't know his positions on issues. That means he's a media creation.
I'm pretty sure the media wants Kamala Harris so I don't know what their plan is with this guy. Dilute the crazy votes I guess.
Anybody who actually has a cogent message is way better than any repub who the only thing they want is to create more income inequality. Anyone who is in the top 10% income in the US supports Trump, anyone else who supports him is just stupid.
shareYou mean all the uber rich liberals like Bill Gates, Oprah, Soros and their ilk support Trump?!?! Who knew!?!?!
shareNo I don't mean that. I'm just unhappy about income inequality at large and at this president in particular.
shareOkay so you're contradicting yourself. You said "Anyone who is in the top 10% income in the US supports Trump". That would include a LOT of VERY rich Democrats like the ones I mentioned who don't give a rip about income inequality. If they did, they'd redistribute their OWN wealth but they don't because the Democrat party is the "Do as I say, not what I do" party. What exactly would you propose to do about income inequality?
shareI don't propose anything. It's above my very poor pay grade. But given time I might be able to create a platform. Most developed countries have Socialized Medicine, but the US doesn't. It's fundamentally not fair in a rich country. Trump brays that Greed is Good and we shouldn't have compassion for our brown-skinned neighbors. He preys on fear and xenophobia, not to mention all of his other eccentricities, to be mild.
It's a complex problem, and I can't fix it here, but I can bitch that the US is in a shit situation where a lot of people are homeless and jobless and basic human values are monetized in our Capitalist system. We should be better than this !
Charity begins at home. We spend billions on other countries that hate us AND billions on people who come here illegally and people here who refuse to even TRY to support themselves. Imagine what all that could do for the people HERE that need it.
sharectwdidswej,
Don't forget about him eating the "magic" dirt after he lost the election to Cruz😂😂😂
He even brought some home to his family. 🤢
I hope no dogs fertilized the dirt. 💩😵🤣
You probably don't know his positions on issues. That means he's a media creation.
You've just described your hero T-rump! Are you saying this is a bad thing now? share
Republicans seem to know him better than democrats, the propagandists must be nervous.
shareOf course, he would. He has charisma, energy, a good outgoing and friendly personality, honest, likeable, very positive and relatable to people of different backgrounds, humane, and intelligent, Personally, I like 95% if his platform. He is like a cross between Robert Kennedy and Obama.
shareHe looks like a typical privileged white dude-bro to me.
The skateboarding and DUI bust doesn't dissuade me from that perception.
And fuck the Kennedys. They were the epitome of privileged white boy bullshit with their multiple affairs and a daddy who was able to buy them elections.
So is Trump and his family, but at least Beto won't cage children and rip them out of their mother's arms.
shareLol i searched the skating video is cringy as fuck. he is like a 5 year old making whhoooosseee noises and stuff while cruizing at a solid 2.5 miles an hour. just going around aimlessly in a crowded burger joint parking lot. if your gonna skate to show the kiddos ur a real dude bro at least be halfway rad about it. this bozo is such a poser...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwizfmPNrH8
Sorry, but you sound shallow and petty. Who cares? It looks like he's having fun and he's not hurting anyone which is more than I can say for the sociopath in the White House.
shareshallow and petty???!?!?1 what?1!?!!!!! how dare u call me that!!! this bozo pandering with a skateboard is everything opposite of what skating is and what it represents. this guy is such a fucking tool. He should go back to committing burglary and DUIs like a real g and stay the hell away from a skateboard
share"is everything opposite of what skating is and what it represents."
It's a free country (still) and anyone has a right to ride one. Are you the skateboard police? You're being silly for taking a kiddie's pastime so seriously. It represents nothing important.
You're being silly for taking a kiddie's pastime so seriously.Precisely, a kid's pastime.
We already have one child in the White House. Do we really want to replace him with another?!? share
Trump isn't a child. He's hateful, manipulative, spiteful, evil. He knows exactly what he's doing.
Nothing wrong with skateboarding for fun. Better than doing drugs and getting high.
I couldn't afford a skateboard when I was a kid. I lived in an apartment where does was no space to skateboard. The cool skateboard kids always made me feel inadequate and left me out of their activities.
Excuse me if I don't feel inclined to root for these people after the way they treated me.
Plus, if he's got a DUI charge, it doesn't sound that he is much better than a druggie.
You sound like a druggie, Obama admitted to drunk driving himself, the Democratic party is the pro-drug party (and Democrats invented the skateboard......), they're running right now on a "legalize drugs" platform, State Democratic officials are legalizing some of the most illicit evil drugs right now "for medical purposes" and those drugs will find their way to the streets in exponentially greater numbers than they already exist on the streets and lay waste to ever more generations of people, stop supporting the party that loves drug and start supporting the "war on drugs" Republican party.
shareThe reality is that both parties support drugs.
The Republican Party has taken plenty of money from Big Pharma which is destroying whole communities during the opioid crisis along with other prescription drugs.
Marijuana lobbyists have begun to target and contribute to Republicans in order to get their support. Former Republican House Speaker Boehner is their spokesman. Both parties will eventually support legalization since it means extra tax revenue.
I'm 100% against legalizing marijuana especially for recreational use. It encourages more people to use it and has already done that in my area. Who said it was safe, anyway?
I agree with you 100%, I'm also ultra-hardcore against all drugs (including marijuana and "medical" marijuana and alcohol etc). The bigger issue is the Sanders supporters who are having glib temper tantrums towards Beto O'Rourke and actually pledging to vote third party as if today and tomorrow and every single day until 3rd November 2020 was election day. I didn't know the primaries were over.
People claiming to be Democrats or progressives or Sanders supporters attacking O'Rourke because of his Irish background, his looks (what about Mayor Pete, he's young looking too), his name, his quick rise because of the Texas Senate election (what about Bernie's quick rise because of the 2016 election....), and a dui is exactly why Democrats lose and Republicans win.
You want to vote for Sanders, great, you're voting for the Democratic party. You're attacking Beto for a dui/dwi while Barack Obama very publically drank beer while President and admitted to driving drunk and while the Democratic Party is the Pro-Drug party. The "he's an ugly skateboarder with a dwi arrest record" is not only frustration borne from a fear that Sanders' primary race may be threatened by O'Rourke's (I don't see a threat, I see what could be two powerful progressive intellectual campaigns with two powerful voting bases representing the vast majority of the electorate working together with a real chance of defeating Trump), it's wildly hypocritical and lacks self-awareness. Trump has or had his own brand of Trump Vodka and that Trump Vodka will win if some of the Sanders supporters continue to temper tantrum.
The health food stores are putting hemp in salads and it's encouraged in "health" products (CBD oil). Recently in my area, car accidents have went up and a study just announced increased psychosis with smoking it.
I don't want to be exposed through second hand smoke.
At this point, I believe most Beto critics are probably from Trump's camp or Russians. Beto appears to connect and excite people of different backgrounds which makes him a Trump threat.
I doubt that Sanders' supporters wouldn't support the eventual Democratic nominee. Too many people didn't vote because they "thought" Clinton would win. Stupidity on their part. I doubt they would make the same mistake twice.
BTW, yield curve just inverted. Recession is possible in 2020 which will hurt Trump's reelection campaign.
CBD oil does not get you high because it lacks THC content. Nor can eating hemp salad or hemp seeds used to make CBD oil ever get anyone high.
But they do have a range of proven health benefits, so it's no surprise it's being promoted in health products.
Pardon my skepticism re: falling for the marijuana lobbyists' hype. They're going to promote the "positive" in order to sell these products then years later we'll find out what the negative side effects were.
"...cigarettes first emerged on the market people used them to treat lung conditions and encouraged smoking. And we can’t forget the crisis that the once-promised long-acting, “less-addicting” opioids produced."
Both hemp and CBD are effecting your body if it makes people "relaxed" among other things. Hemp still contains THC even if its a low amount at 0.3.
If high THC causes psychosis, what does low amounts do? Why would it be safe for children? Where are the studies? Long range studies about the effects on the body don't exist yet.
Don't worry, you can't consume enough CBD oil or hemp to ever even work up a mild buzz. You'd be bloated and die of over-consumption first.
And the scientific research that discovered health benefits of CBD is not funded by the marijuana lobby, as you seem to think. At higher levels it can be used as an analgesic used to relieve pain, but is not physically addicting nor causes physical withdrawal symptoms like with opiates.
If you want to be skeptical of empirical data from scientific research then be skeptical. But that shouldn't prevent society moving forward legalizing a drug that is determined to be fairly innocuous by all presently available evidence with the lone exception being those genetically susceptible to schizophrenia. And even with the latter that's only with products containing THC, not CBD.
I stated marijuana lobbyists who are PROMOTING it like Boehnor. I didn't mention anything about who was paying for research which I already wrote is lacking.
I didn't state it was additive. I said hemp and marijuana probably have similar side effects since they both contain THC though in different amounts. Smokers and hemp users become "relaxed" so they're obviously causing chemical changes or reaction within the human body. I've also heard people say smoking made them paranoid.
Anyway, my complaint was mainly about smoking it. I used to smell the noxious stuff about once every few years. Now with encouragement from my idiot mayor, I smell it several times a week since it's freely smoked on the street.
Medical doctors, police, educators and black community leaders have opposed legalizing it. Let government find another way to make money.
Recent article:
"Adolescent pot users have trouble in school because they suffer memory impairment, loss of learning ability and reasoning skills and possibly a permanent decline in IQ, the National Institute of Drug Abuse reports. No wonder it’s called “dope.”
Marijuana damages the hippocampus area of the brain, which impacts memory. Scientists who tracked nearly 4,000 young adults into their 40s confirmed that marijuana use does lasting damage to memory, according to research in the Journal of the American Medical Association published in 2016.
Chronic teen marijuana users have dismal futures, reports the American Public Health Association. They stop their education sooner, are less likely to have full-time jobs as adults and have lower socio-economic potential. The politicians pushing legalization are mum about that."
Just throwing this out there because I agree with both of you 100% - hemp in food is not the same as hemp for drugs, hemp in food is not cultivated the same as hemp for drugs, hemp for food contains almost 0% thc. I tried vegan hemp pasta and hemp milk each once (because I try new vegan brands and flavours all the time) and thought nothing of it, no concern whatsoever. As long as the hemp-for-food cultivation method avoids cultivating thc, it's a non-issue.
shareI agree that pot shouldn't be smoked by kids or teenagers. I was primarily addressing your conflation of THC and CBD.
Hemp refers to male cannabis used to make CBD oil and lacks the THC content you appear to be concerned about. It shouldn't be confused with female cannabis aka pot.
I'm just trying to put your mind at ease that three tenths of one percent (at most) THC content in hemp is nothing you need to be worried about ever getting anyone high. It's infinitesimal.
There are a range of demonstrated health benefits and medical applications for CBD. The FDA just approved a CBD based drug to treat kids with epilepsy. It does not change your state of mind because it is not psychoactive.
Realistically, marijuana use will go up with teens and adults when government sanctions it.
My mind is at ease because I have no intention of taking CBD or hemp.
My point was not to be overconfident about the safety of a drug without further research.
Hemp oil certainly doesn't sound very safe:
hallucinations
blood clots which can cause a heart attack
increase the risk of prostate cancer;cancer cell reproduction
suppress the immune system
low blood pressure
diarrhea
Again, you're still conflating hemp and CBD with pot and THC.
You can't get hallucinations from CBD oil because of the lack of THC. CBD is not psychoactive like THC. You're talking about the two like they're one and the same and they're just not.
CBD is commonly used to address anxiety, and for patients who suffer insomnia, studies suggest that CBD helps with both falling asleep and staying asleep.
As with any drug, there can always been unwanted side affects among a small percentage of the population. That doesn't mean it should be illegal when there have been proven medical and health benefits for treatment among the overwhelming majority.
As for suppressing the immune system, well yeah, in highly concentrated dose it can act as an analgesic and anti-inflammatory. And as with any anti-inflammatory, that has a suppressing effect on the immune system. Are you anti-ibuprofen too? Most people wouldn't consider the suppressing effect of ibuprofen on the immune system as a legit reason ibuprofen should be illegal.
I also think you've got it backwards when cannabis has been shown to be a useful treatment in managing prostate cancer:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3339795/
I also strongly disagree long term use will go up with legalization. Initial use might go up, but overall I see it going down after the novelty wears off. It's not physically addictive so there'd be no reason for use to go up long term. The Dutch are among the lowest users of marijuana or cannabis in Europe in spite of it being legal. That's because it's no big deal.
You sound really alarmed so I just want to put your mind at ease.
"Even though the amount of the psychoactive element of THC in hemp oil is ordinarily negligible, some people still get high after consuming it. This may lead to hallucinations and anxiety."
https://healthyhempoil.com/hemp-oil-side-effects/
Remember when doctors told adults to take a low dosage aspirin everyday to avoid heart attacks? I was against that practice years ago because simple exercise and eating healthy seemed more sound than overmedicating most adults. Since then, I had two close family members hospitalized with bleeding from daily aspirins.
On March 17, two U.S. associations of heart doctors issued new guidance stating that most adults should no longer take aspirins daily because it causes internal bleeding. I've finally been vindicated.
Being casual about any drug is not a good idea. Putting it in salads and protein drinks is stupid. Pretending that it cures everything is wishful thinking. You can't say it's safe while at the same time warn pregnant women and children too avoid using it.
The Dutch aren't Americans. American culture pushes drugs (legal and illegal)fueling addiction and overdosing. American companies put chemicals in drugs to make them more addictive. It happened with tobacco and opioids. I guarantee that companies will begin adding chemicals to make marijuana, hemp and CBD addictive. I read that marijuana is already much more potent than it was 20 years ago.
Well sure, as with anything common sense applies. Common sense dictates no drug should be taken to excess daily. But common sense also applies to anyone who gets high after taking CBD oil. Those affected by such minuscule trace elements of THC in CBD oil enough to hallucinate represent such a tiny percentage of the population that anyone who does likely has some adverse genetic predisposition to schizophrenia (based on available research) and shouldn't be risking taking anything with THC in the first place. We're talking 1% of the population, hardly significant to be alarmed over. Many legal drugs have adverse side effects affecting much higher percentages. BTW, your quote said "may", it wasn't an actual instance of a person reportedly hallucinating from CBD oil. Hallucinating from pot is already rare enough that the possibility of it happening from CBD oil just sounds like getting hit by lightning if its ever even happened. Most people don't worry about getting hit by lightning.
If that proves anything it's an argument for tighter regulation to ensure the purity of CBD oil completely devoid of any THC compounds instead of three tenths of one percent.
What I don't get is your alarm about hemp in "salads" and "protein drinks". Look, I've long taken an off the shelf hemp based protein powder before my daily workouts. I find it the most healthy and nutritious vegan protein supplement available. It's a great source of fiber and for improved blood sugar levels. What's "stupid" about that? Daily hemp based protein shakes poses no health risks to me, in fact I've found it's improved my health or I wouldn't spend money on it. Hemp is perfectly healthy and poses no risks since it lacks THC. You're really barking up the wrong tree on this. I've never encountered anyone who thought or claimed CBD cured everything. In higher concentrations it should prescribed with a doctor's oversight to treat specific ailments. Eating hemp is harmless. Any trace THC would metabolize too slowly from eating it that you'd die of bloating and over-consumption before being anywhere close to feeling high, much less hallucinating. And ask Rutger Bregman, American culture is incredibly influential in Holland, yet the Dutch smoke it less than anyone. I've tried it, I don't see what the big appeal is. I have friends that like to use it occasionally to wind down, but that's it. I know no one that uses it to excess. As for additives, that's another reason for tighter regulation. But right now the market is supplied by small growers. Big pharma couldn't add additives even if they wanted to.
More vindication:
"The F.D.A. still considers CBD a drug, so it cannot be sold in foods or drinks or as a dietary supplement, and several states and cities — including New York City, California, Maine and Ohio — have ordered restaurants to remove CBD from lattes, smoothies, muffins and other foods. The F.D.A. has issued several warnings to companies that make unproven claims that their CBD products will treat or prevent disease.
"This deceptive marketing of unproven treatments raises significant public health concerns, as it may keep some patients from accessing appropriate, recognized therapies to treat serious and even fatal diseases,” an F.D.A. spokesman said."
Of course large companies will eventually become involved. They will add additives and continue to make it stronger to get people addicted for a larger profit. Nothing new. Companies engineer processed food to be addictive.
Most foreigners like American pop culture. Big deal! The Dutch are not Americans nor do they think or behave like Americans. Notice how they have no opioid crisis.
Hemp protein is low quality for muscle growth. It's very low in several amino acids and has low biological value. Whey protein is much better.
https://caloriebee.com/nutrition/Is-Hemp-Protein-Better-Then-Whey-Protein
"Hemp protein is a vegetable protein that has a very low biological value. Many vegan’s think that it is a good protein source but it is not. Hemp protein manufacturers will not show you a biological value test for hemp protein because they know if they tested hemp protein isolate it would score very low.
Whey protein on the other hand has a very high biological value. However it is NOT vegan. If you want a vegan protein, do with rice or pea, instead of hemp protein."
https://proteinfactory.com/hemp-protein-vs-whey-protein/
Just to be clear, I don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't effect me. I don't want to smell it and I don't want my food cross contaminated from mislabeling.
Yeah unfortunately I'm terribly allergic to whey protein. It really does a number on my innards. I like hemp protein for the Omega-3.
As for what you're citing as "vindication", it actually supports what I've said about tighter regulations to ensure the purity of CBD. That's an issue in the unregulated health supplement market from the failure of oversight that products are actually what they claim to be. It justifies legalization and regulation instead of allowing it to be sold in the hazy gray area of unregulated supplements.
But if you check out what I said, I was specifically referring to your reference to hemp, not CBD oil in my quote. (What I don't get is your alarm about hemp in "salads" and "protein drinks") They're not at all the same thing.
Hemp protein powder is clearly labeled so I don't have a problem with its sale. I was only commenting on the inferior quality in comparison to other protein powders.
Restaurants and stores were selling foods with CBD - not as a supplement. Some weren't clearly identified.
Good news! New Jersey just cancelled a vote on making recreational marijuana legal.
I'm glad to hear the feds are regulating CBD. It definitely should not be so casually dispensed in restaurants or stores.
Good news you won't have to deal with legal recreational marijuana in your state. Bad news you live in the armpit of America. :)
I don't live in New Jersey. I was aware of the marijuana vote though. This is the second state to reject passage within a week.
Cannabis-related ER visits increased threefold in Colorado since legalization. Problem with edible marijuana.
In a country with a severe drug problem, government promoting even more drugs makes little sense to me.
Yeah I'd expect those ER visits to go up before they go down because of the novelty of legalization. But as the risks of hallucinating from ingesting edible marijuana become more well known I expect those figures to drop. Believe it or not, most people, including recreational users, have no interest in losing their minds and going to ER. Just like most people have no interest in getting pass out drunk. That's not fun. But unlike alcohol, pot isn't physically addictive.
I can understand the drive to legalize perfectly given its demonstrated safety and the medical benefits of CBD treatments. No one has ever OD'd on pot no matter how much more potent its gotten.
Repeating falsehoods doesn't change them into facts.
shareI know, that's why I'm trying to put your mind at ease.
shareYou appear to believe a person needs to smoke pot to be at ease. Meditation works wonders without the negative health effects that doctors warn about and it's free.
I don't care if people become a potheads and waste their lives as long as I don't breathe in their second hand smoke and they don't drive erratically.
Now you're simply projecting words that I never said. You've clearly lost the plot. I don't smoke pot.
shareUnless you live near me, I don't care. My chief complaint is exposure to second hand smoke. Secondary was about my food being cross contaminated. And I don't want someone with pot BO sitting next to me either.
I never had any problem with pot being used by cancer patients to relieve nausea.
I just think it's sad that you have to stoop to misrepresent what I've said or believe when I was just trying to help you put your mind at ease.
But I do find it amusing that you keep trying to convince me you don't care, when you've already proven you do care by celebrating New Jersey's failure to legalize while conceding you don't even live there.
I just think you'd be better off if you weren't so transparently dishonest with yourself.
Your reading comprehension is low or your exposure to CBD/hemp has effected your mind.
I already said I don't like smokers. The more backlash against legalizing marijuana, the better chance it stays illegal where I live.
Your memory is sketchy. You keep trying to convince me you don't care as long as you don't smell it. Now you're telling me you don't like smokers. You should try and get your story straight. I've stuck to facts, you're resorting to insults because you can't remember what you type from one post to the next.
I just think it's sad that you have to repeatedly stoop to falsely accuse me of smoking just because I point out your lack of honesty. You should strive to be a less bitter and more gracious person. It could help you put your mind at ease.
"My point was not to be overconfident about the safety of a drug without further research."
Agreed 100% and the amazing thing is the studies were done on marijuana, which is why marijuana was labelled a "gateway" drug and hit with heavy federal regulation. Which is why Democrats (of which I am one....) are losing, they're losing on their own too often warped policy positions as much as they are losing because of an entire nation of worthless voters.
You don't appear to be aware that presently it's the Democrats who want legalization. Republicans will join them en masse when more money is waved under their noses by the marijuana lobbyists which has already started.
share"You don't appear to be aware that presently it's the Democrats who want legalization."
You don't appear to have read anything I posted, I explicitally said multiple times on this thread that Democrats are the pro-drug party, it's why you began replying to me, to say "what about the Republicans who now support drug legalization" which completely and totally missed the point of what I was originally saying way back up earlier in the conversation....the point of what I originally posted was that any person who wants to pretend to care about a Democrat's candidate's dwi/dui should switch to the Republican party because the Democratic party is the pro-drug (including pro-alcohol) party while Republicans vaunt themselves as the "war on drugs" party. Especially when one pretends to care about a dwi/dui while endorsing a candidate who endorse marijuana legalization and is running for the pro-drug party ticket.
Democrats are in favor of regulation. At best they want drugs "decriminalized" for pharmaceutical giants, not "legalized" for individuals. Liberals are not libertarians. And libertarians are not libertines. Democrats tend to be the drug users, the super rich and the super poor. Beto doesn't care about legalizing drugs. He's got his and screw you.
shareThe video's lame and pointless. Was it supposed to make him "cool" to younger voters or what?
shareFocusing on his skateboarding is lame and pointless. Issues are important.
shareThat's like saying being female was a disadvantage for Hillary, when she based Her entire campaign on it. Was there not even a hint of irony when you typed that?
shareWhy do you believe skateboarding is an important qualification for becoming president of the U.S. and issues are not important?
sharemaybe not last century but in this new brave millennium, yes, considering a candidates skateboarding skillz before voting is going to become a more an more important issue by the year
shareI'd like to see Trump on a skateboard.
sharetrump is nothing but a another gun grabbin jewyorker libtard... of course he cant skateboard
shareBut Trump would be a 2020 candidate therefore he would need to learn in order to compete. If Trump isn't willing to learn, then it sounds like Beto should win by default.
shareeven if trump slips on his board and brakes his hip on his first attempt that would be a million times more rad than betobitches skating performance
shareIf Trump isn't willing to get on a skateboard at all, then Beto should win by default.
BTW, most skateboarders look like losers. Watching them trip over themselves repeatedly while trying to look cool is not. At least Beto didn't try to do stupid tricks which makes him more rad than most skateboarders.
betocuckbitch dont stand a chance beating the trumpinator regardless if trump jumps on a board or not
shareIt doesn't sound like you're serious about skateboarding at all.
shareskate or die!!!
shareThose are just words for you. You have no commitment to it. You praise a non-skateboarder and insult someone who obviously loves it.
Beto gets points from me for avoiding stupid skateboard tricks. He's too cool to try to be cool. He just does his thing which is to skate across a stage.
Elect him and he'll be the first President to skateboard in the White House.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Dm-8KGkhY
shareThere's nothing wrong with being mediocre or bad at something if you enjoy doing it. Remember American Idol's William Hung? Or horrible director Ed Wood?
Skateboarders can't be cool since they are overly concerned about other people's opinions.
[deleted]
LMAO!
Good one HarvardBarbie. If they stupidly choose this guy, they'll deserve to lose.
So, that's our choice? Trump or Beto? Sure, given that choice, I'll naturally pick ANYONE BUT TRUMP.
Still, can't we do better than this?
You're a bit premature since the Democratic primaries haven't happened yet.
Can you explain why you don't like Beto?
He's too young, too inexperienced, too glib, and too much of a typical frat/bro type for my liking.
Plus, I prefer my Democratic candidates to be sober, thoughtful and lowkey. Liberals are meant to be the intellectual, substance-driven types. we should eschew all the celebrity/Hollywood nonsense. I hate the rock-star/celebrity vibe. I could forgive Obama, who I like, for that because at least he is a black man, and so he represented an important milestone in Presidential history, but ultimately I want a serious candidate who focuses on policy. Hillary and Bernie, for all their differences, represented that.
Hollywood supports Bernie and he has had the rock-star/celebrity vibe since last election season, he's anything but lowkey, his campaign people ran his last campaign like a "frat boy" mega-millennial party campaign (a very good thing, his campaign did almost everything right, not attacking him, trying to convey why your comments are glib), hitting a plethora of college campuses, his base are called "BernieBros", his campaign speeches were delivered in a high school/college rally atmosphere, Sanders' "economic justice for all" message is viewed glib by enough minorities who called him out on it last time to cost him that base of support, he launched his second campaign with the same message and was called out again on how he was privileging class over race and ignoring socially and legally institutionalized racial disparities that circumvent economic justice ($15 dollars an hour minimum wage means many employers in many areas with outdated mindsets will do their best to only hire white males) forcing his campaign people to force him to start fusing together a racial-and-economic justice message, he revamped part of his campaign staff as well to show he was taking the concerns seriously, Hillary was lowkey and refused to really tear into Trump, and the debate moderators themselves (looking at you Dana Bash and Anderson Cooper), Trump was a rock-star with a celebrity vibe and won, unfortunately the general electorate really don't care about intellectualism or substance or even deep policy, if they did, Hillary would have won (or Bernie, if he was the nominee), and Democrats would have been winning the majority of their elections at the local, state, federal level for decades, they would be the Congressional majority right now, everything Bernie wants to do would have been done a long time ago, Gore would have won in a blowout, Clinton would have won his elections in a blowout, there would be no Trump Presidency.
You want Bernie to win, you need Beto to win.
Hillary lost 2016 because she lost the rustbelt states. Tell me again, what are the demographics like in states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin? Predominantly black or mostly white working-class?
Also, why are some people so intent on dividing people by identity? The Democratic Party is supposed to be for all people, particularly the poorest in society whatever their race, gender or sexuality. What is the logic in saying 'the Democratic Party is for POC and women, and the GOP is for white men'? Did that strategy work in 2016?!?
Bernie is right. He is dealing with economic justice for everyone. Poverty affects everyone, homelessness affects everyone, drug addiction affects everyone. It doesn't just target one particular demographic.
And Bernie is 77-year-old Jewish croaky white guy from Vermont FFS. I love the guy, but he is the antithesis of a rock-star (in fact, that's a large part of why I do love the guy - he's not the pretty pearly smiles Hollywood candidate - he isn't JFK, or Clinton, or John Edwards, or Gary Hart, or any of those other pretty boy sleazes).
If the Democratic Party continues to put glitz and show, and frickin Beyoncé and Jay-Z, and some dumbass skateboarding doofus, over the intellectualism, policy and substance represented by serious candidates like Bernie and Hillary (not Bill) Clinton, they can go screw themselves and expect another four years of Trump, because any liberal progressive with half a brain will simply choose to back Jill Stein instead.
You're the dumbass skateboarding doofus, you never addressed any of the substance I actually enumerated, Sanders is the epitome of what you're accusing O'Rourke and Trump of being, "Medicare for All" is the same as "Build the Wall", "Economic Justice" is the same as "MAGA", "Break up the Banks"/"Break up Amazon/Facebook/Google" is the same as "Lock her up", all glib garbage with no underpinning policy or substance that real intellectuals predict will hand Trump the election in 2020, if Sanders supporters are going to continue to do nothing but character assassinate Democratic candidates and threaten to vote third party, Trump and Republicans win, not policy, not substance, not intellectualism, and not Bernie Sanders.
shareBreaking up the banks/breaking up the big tech companies, is easy in theory. The only people standing in the way of Bernie, ironically enough, are Democrats and self-identifying-liberals. Bernie, and other true leftists need to smoke these faux-libs out. Call their bluff. And when they still refuse to pay their taxes/surrender powers to the state, call them out for what they are: a bunch of plutocratic conservative hypocrites who make Trump look no more powerful than some dodgy backwater second-hand car salesman.
A socialist revolution is in our grasp. The only people who are preventing it are the soft-liberals in the DNC and their one-percenter pals in Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Wall Street, and hipster corporations like Starbucks.
If the Democrats are unable or unwilling to bring on that revolution, they'll deserve to fail...again.
The only people standing in the way of enacting Sanders' policies into laws and general reforms are the group of Sanders supporters like you who refuse to vote for the very people who want to enact those polices.
You're not progressives, you're not liberals, you're not leftists, you don't support any of Sanders' policies (he doesn't advocate what you posted), you never listened to a word he said, you're not listening to Sanders now, and you're publically advocating for Republicans to win. I've done so in gest while Sanders supporters like you are no different from pro-Trump supporters, preferring to watch everybody die if "your candidate" does not win.
You pretend to immensely like/admire Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton but you constantly lie about Obama's record and are openly vilifying both of them and their records and Democrats, and a wide range of people spanning the entire globe who have contributed vastly to fighting for everything you pretend to care about. The people you're vilifying have done more to generate American and global awareness and American and global action on the things you care about than Sanders ever has. (also "Hollywood" endorses Sanders, guess that means you can't vote for him!)
Republicans win and Sanders' career is not only over but the "leftist liberal progressive" platform you claim to support is permanently done, the "revolution" (it's not a revolution, a revolution is not a campaign platform, a revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence in which one class overthrows another, and in this case, it's people calling themselves Sanders supporters who advocate overthrowing the only party and the only voting block that supports the Sanders platform) is over, nobody will ever again listen to anything with the self-proclaimed "leftist liberal progressive" (or "socialist") label attached.
So, in other words, everything was hunky-dory back in 2016, and there was no poverty, no racial injustice, no falling living standards, no widening income gap, no impending global warming, no illegal wars, no systemic rape and sexual assault/harassment, no students struggling to find adequate work, no homelessness, and no demographics feeling left behind, because Obama and Hillary had it all sorted?
No, I like Obama and Hillary, but don't pretend everything was great back in 2016 or that either of these two powerful political figures had never made any mistakes.
And I've always encouraged people to vote Democrat. I encouraged many wavering voters to back Hillary back in 2016. How many Republicans and Democrat-sceptics did you speak to and convert? Judging by your utter hatred for anyone who doesn't accept the DNC propaganda hook, line and sinker, I'm guessing you didn't speak to anyone outside of your liberal bubble.
Well, that isn't going to get the Democratic Party across the 270 electoral votes line in 2020. You need people like me who can speak to the other side. Not those of you who are simply content to speak in an echo chamber.
"Judging by your utter hatred for anyone"
Your describing yourself and your reply has nothing to do with the fact you clearly stated you would vote third party and said others with half a brain should vote third party as well if your preferred candidate was not the nominee, you've called your own candidate a conspiracy-theorist, and you're now calling your own candidate a "DNC propagandist": I've replied to you paraphrasing your own candidate's positions and policies straight from his Senate and campaign site and you're dismissing his own policies and positions as DNC propaganda. Believing that Andrew Wang and Tulsi Gabbard are "DNC propagandists" discredits you beyond belief. Also the fact you're attacking Peter Buttigieg who idolizes Sanders and is running on Sanders' platform. Relentlessly calling me "leftist" and "liberal" also discredits you beyond belief when my own stated positions are unclassifiable (not raised in America's political landscape, those labels don't apply) other than general Democrat. You also do not like Obama or Hillary, stop pretending you do, you VILIFY their policies whenever you talk about them. You like how they look nice and sound nice but nothing beyond that. Just like you, you try to look nice and sound nice but there's nothing in you beyond that but utter contempt for everybody except Bernie Sanders and possibly Michael Jackson.
You're (not 'your') confused. How can I both hate and admire Bernie Sanders? You seem to be wavering on whether I am pro or anti Bernie.
As for Michael Jackson, I have been a big fan of his music, but I have not been able to listen to a single song of his since the Leaving Neverland documentary. In fact, it's a struggle for me to listen even to those artists associated with Jackson, like his sister, or even artists I love, like Toto and The Dooby Brothers, who worked with Jackson during the 70s and early 80s (i.e. before he started abusing children). So I'm not sure how I can be described as a shill for Jackson. I've had to entirely change my habits and eschew the very music that gives me joy, because of recent events.
Regarding Michael Jackson: it is perfectly normal to continue to love a person(s) you discovered may have committed or was proven to have committed a really bad crime. The struggle to deal with that never ends.
shareI agree, but I'm not there yet. It may take some time. The feelings are still raw. Bear in mind that the documentary only came out a few weeks ago.
share"Build the Wall" doesn't address illegal immigration or drug smuggling since most illegals come legally but overstay and drugs enter through ports. It's using hate and fear to demonize nonwhites.
"Medicare for All" is one solution to have ALL Americans medically insured like other Western countries. BTW, the Republicans and Trump said they would replace Obamacare with a better system which they didn't.
_____
"MAGA" means to return to a vague past when things were theoretically better. It has racist and sexist undertones.
"Economic Justice" means empowering the 99% with policies that help them instead of large corporations.
_____
"Break up the Banks"/"Break up Amazon/Facebook/Google"
Same as Economic Justice. BTW, one of the WWW inventors is trying to democratize and freedom it because he believes large corporations are controlling it:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/the-man-who-created-the-world-wide-web-has-some-regrets?verso=true
"Lock her up" is nonsensical. Trump is the one in bed with oligarchs, siding with America's enemies and Trump's advisors are in prison or about to go.
Keelai accidentally missing the point, the campaign slogans of both sides are glib and cancel each other out, they're not policies...I'm not attacking the policy positions....Sanders became a "Hollywood rock star" overnight, that may or may not happen to Beto, the criticisms against Beto by MalkovichMalkovi apply to Sanders and Obama....and he does not appear to be caught up on Sanders' positions....
shareI didn't miss the point. Politicians use slogans to get their ideas across quickly. A long-winded discussion about policy won't work during a 30 second TV spot or news headline. Any intelligent person can go to a candidate's website to read about their position on an issue.
I take back what I said about MAGA and Build the Wall not being about policy. They are, but I consider them regressive.
These are all lies. Hollywood hated Sanders in 2016. Susan Surandon supported him and they made an example of her. Hollywood wanted Hillary. Quit trying to sell us short again with these corporatist candidates. It was Hillary not Trump who was propped up with the media curated image. She was "qualified and experienced". Trump ran on policy. Hillary couldn't touch policy. Nobody wanted war with Syria, except Hollywood and Wall Street.
shareOf course, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'll address why your concerns about Beto don't really bother me.
Beto is 46 which is not young.
Beto has est. 12 years of political experience which is fine.
The candidate opposing Trump will need to be charismatic, personable, likeable and relatable. I believe Beto is already thoughtful, but the lowkey part won't cut it in American politics.
Hilary wasn't charismatic nor likeable by a significant percentage of Americans which helped doom her chances.
Beto made a stupid mistake which fortunately didn't harm or kill anyone and he acknowledged it and appears to have learned since he hasn't repeated the behavior.
I think the other things about being a frat boy, etc. aren't really relevant because he has compassion and his position on different issues reflect that.
Why should Beto, a fake Hispanic with a DUI conviction, be a lead candidate ahead of say someone like me, a real, albeit white, Hispanic who has NEVER been in trouble with the law, never taken drugs, never assaulted a woman, is virtually carbon neutral, and doesn't touch meat, dairy, leather, or fur? And I'm extremely compassionate, so much in fact that I'm the one constantly calling on the left to engage with our enemies, something that currently marks me out of something of an outlier in politics. And I'm relatable too. I'm not some hipster skateboarder with a DUI conviction. I'm an ordinary working schmoe who has struggled economically.
And I personally prefer Hillary to Beto. Heck, I prefer her to Bill. We don't need another smiley, fake, pretty boy white man in charge (if we're going to go for a white man, I repeat, it should be someone like me, and if not, WHY NOT?!?). We need a serious, sombre, thoughtful, unshowy, conscientious, preferably female, candidate like Hillary.
Hillary's problem isn't policy or ability. It was campaigning. She's a crap campaigner, make no mistake. But she's far and away more experienced and capable than any man who has ever contested the Presidency, certainly in comparison to someone like Beto.
Hillary's problem isn't policy or ability. It was campaigning.
You must not know Hillary very well because her biggest problem was her documented corrupt character.
Why did Hillary hammer and bleach hard drives after being subpoenaed and delete thousands of emails? What does she have to hide?
Please explain the rigging of the Dem primary by Debbie Wasserman Schultz so only Clinton could win and being forced to resign because of it.
Why did Hillary allow Donna Brazile to share debate questions with the Clinton campaign?
What about the "spontaneous reaction to a video" LIE in regards to the Benghazi attack.
Why did Bill Clinton & AG Loretta Lynch's meet on the tarmac when Hillary was under serious investigation? Do you really believe they met to discuss grandchildren (lol)?
Why did Hillary say to her cronies: "IF THAT F***IN BASTARD WINS, WERE ALL GOING TO HANG FROM NOOSES! YOU BETTER FIX THIS SH**!"
She also said (documented): “If I’m indicted I’ll take half of DC with me!” Does either of these statements sound sound like something an innocent person would say? share
Nobody is more corrupt than Trump and he has indicted and imprisoned advisors to prove it. Her lost was a combination of bad campaigning especially in the Rust Belt, Democrats taking for granted that she would win therefore they didn't vote, Comey bringing up an email investigation days before the election, outdated Electoral College, Russian intervention, sexism, backlash against Obama, bigotry fueled by Trump's racebaiting, the belief that Trump could make working-class rich too, Hillary not likeable by too many people.
shareMagical thinking. Hillary would have won if she gave a speech at a coal mine? Hillary would have won if we didn't see a Russian Facebook ad? She ran the most expensive campaign in world history and you're trying to blame her staff for a few missing votes when your whole premise is she should have won in a massive landslide.
Face it. You supported Hillary because wars and bailouts are good for your pocketbook. You're not a good person.
In other words, coal miners believed Trump's lies about saving their jobs. During his watch, twenty coal mines are slated to close and he has failed to revive the industry.
Didn't Trump use his campaign donations to pay hush money to his numerous mistresses? LOL.
Remain uneducated the way Trump likes you so he can continue to manipulate you.
BTW, Clinton won 3 million more votes than Trump.
Nobody is stopping you from running for political office.
Another plus is Beto's positivity. I like that he respects Hispanics by learning fluent Spanish. Meanwhile, Trump calls Hispanics rapists, throws paper towels at them, let them die in Puerto Rico and places little children in cages. I can't wait to see Beto being interviewed on Univision in fluent Spanish. Personally, I hate mudslinging and race-baiting which his enemies do. They're already running scared.
I had no problem with Hillary, but other people always did even during Clinton's presidency. The Electoral College needs to be scrapped. That'll happen eventually.
Do you speak Spanish to your maid when she's scrubbing your toilet?
shareInteresting the way you stereotype Hispanics as being maids. I know plenty of Hispanic attorneys, judges, professionals and entrepreneurs who likely pay more in taxes in a year than you earn. I suggest you read a book instead of trolling movie websites.
shareDon't bet against it. The left cares a lot less when they're the ones doing the ripping and caging. In fact, most don't care what they voted for when Obama ran. It only became a problem when Trump used the same rhetoric.
The two-party scam breeds goose steppers, not critical thinkers with high morals.
"The left cares a lot less"
I agree with this, but the right cares not at all as is clearly evident today.
If he were a cute golden retriever I would wager that his popularity would go even higher.
shareHe’s Obama minus the brown skin and “cool”ness. In Betas case he looks like Robert F Kennedy, so that’s all he needed for the left.
As those educated in politics know, the Democrat media/party’s obsession with superficial qualities is long and distinguished.
Beto is also a lot less intelligent that Obama, has no charisma, has no style, and doesn't know how wear clothes . Tho i guess all that is the cool-ness you mentioned. I am not an Obama fan, but he is much better than Beatoff, I mean Beto, in almost every way.
shareHe's not popular
share