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"Liberal" democracy at its finest

posted 8 years ago by ateofi
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http://www.inquisitr.com/3708431/lady-gaga-urges-all-americans-to-sign-the-electoral-college-petition-to-void-donald-trumps-presidency-and-elect-hillary-clinton/
Lady Gaga has been vocal about her support of Clinton during the presidential race. She sang at her campaign rally just days before the historical presidential election. Now, Lady Gaga tweeted that she believes all Americans should sign the campaign petition because it is possible to “save our country from Donald Trump’s presidency.”
“If you feel scared about the current state of American politics and Whitehouse sign this petition,” Lady Gaga wrote on Twitter and added the link to the Change.org petition. Currently, there are nearly 3.5 million signatures, over a million more than the petition initially believed was possible.
“Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. Secretary Clinton won the popular vote and should be president,” the petition states. “If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic. ”

Yep, democracy is good when our guy (lady) wins. If your guy wins it's due to "populism". Yeah right, we had the same in Poland over a year ago. Poles were in favour of the former president (who wanted re-election), all mainstream TV media were backing up this candidate. And so were the mainsream journalists and celebrities. However, what they didn't take into consideration was the anger of ordinary, hard working people who had enough of being fooled and manipulated. Trump's win is at the last moment, America would really suffer from 4 years of the Clinton puppet being president.

[–] will_am_i 8 years ago

What makes you think that the driving force behind the victories of Trump and the Polish president, based on your own words, was not populism? Do you not understand what populism is?

"The anger of ordinary, hard working people who had enough of being fooled and manipulated" by the "mainstream" (or the "elite") is the very definition of populism.

Just remember that it's not enough to be angry, you have to think. Trump and his fanatics don't think about the consequences of what they advocate. Their kneejerk response to everything is "If the elites are in favor of it, I'm against it!", the "elites" being the well-educated and highly successful. That includes all politicians, educators and businesspeople.

Oh, but not Trump as far as successful businesspeople, he's "one of the good ones", he would never do such wicked things as employ illegal immigrants, import foreign labor or outsource business...Oh, wait.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-decries-outsourced-labor-yet-he-didnt-seek-made-in-america-in-2004-deal/2016/03/13/4d65a43c-e63a-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/431908/donald-trump-immigration-hypocrite-who-ignores-american-workers
http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/

B-b-but liberal elite media! Lies!

Sheesh, I don't even like Hillary, and I'm not on the left at all, but I have always been more afraid of what Trump would do to diminish individual rights in this country, especially now that it's proven that he has a mandate, that the country wants him to do the stupid things he's proposed.

Must dash. I forgot to feed my wombat.

[–] ateofi 8 years ago

Oh please stop patronizing me. I know perfectly what populism is and you seem to make the same mistake as your obviosuly democratic idols. You are manipulating and ridiculing Trump (and Polish president) supporters by calling them fanatics who don't think. To be fair, Hilary supporters showed true and dangerous fanatism by rioting and demolishing cities - any comments on that from you side?

Also, the fact you quote "Washington post" says a lot about your obviously liberal views, even thoug you try to deny them. Stop reading so much of Anne Applebaum's propaganda and try something more balanced. Oh wait, you can't - USA media are 99% liberal and politically correct.

And yes, liberal "elite" media do lie. Recently "The New York Times" apologized for defamations and lies about Trump during presidential campaign.

[–] will_am_i 8 years ago

your obviosuly democratic idols
Incorrect, sir. I am not a Democrat or a Republican.

Hilary supporters showed true and dangerous fanatism by rioting and demolishing cities - any comments on that from you side?
There's no question Hillary supporters are crazy. Trump supporters are crazy too, just in a different way.

Also, the fact you quote "Washington post" says a lot about your obviously liberal views, even thoug you try to deny them.
Um, okay, what motivation would I have to lie about not being a liberal? It's not as though liberals are ashamed of themselves and pretend to be something they're not, they're proud to be liberal, to the point of obnoxiousness.

Also, you outright refuse to consider anything reported by the Washington Post, but what about the National Review article I cited? Any comment on that? Do you dismiss them as a bunch of lefties?

Stop reading so much of Anne Applebaum's propaganda and try something more balanced. Oh wait, you can't - USA media are 99% liberal and politically correct.
Uh, so if I can't trust any media, then how am I supposed to know what the facts are? Let me guess, I can only trust right-wing blogs and discussion boards, they have no bias? Yeah, I get that mainstream media have liberal biases, again it doesn't mean they're wrong all the time, just as the right-wing blogs you read aren't wrong all the time in spite of their bias.

And speaking of right-wing sources, how about that Glenn Beck and his hatred of Trump? He even compared him to Hitler, which even I wouldn't go that far. Is he suddenly a liberal now? In fact, there have been many conservatives who have voiced criticism of Trump, and not just the other Republican candidates. Maybe, just maybe, people can be opposed to Trump without being liberals.

Must dash. I forgot to feed my wombat.