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shareDon't think that's gonna happen now with Eternals appearing to be Marvel's first flop... hooray!
shareWhy hooray?
shareMarvel movies get too much of a pass.
shareTotally agree with that. I was just wondering why filmgeek99 felt that way. Apparently they don't care for female directors.
shareMaybe she’ll get to direct that sci-fi rendition of Dracula that’s supposed to be happening.
shareWhat does it matter if the director’s female? What makes you think filmgeek99 has anything against female directors?
What should matter is how good they are and if they’re right for a specific movie.
and fucking sick of seeing overhyped, mediocre female directors get lauded with excessive praise after just one film (Patty Jenkins, Ava DuVernay, Greta Gerwig etc) too.
He appears to be sick of people being overhyped because of their gender, race, and/or sexuality instead of their merit.
James Cameron and Steven Spielberg weren’t popular because they were straight men, but because many of their movies were mega events, blockbusters, and award winners. They were good at what they did, they became household names.
And yet Chloé Zhao has 3 award nominated/winning films. Why should her gender play into it?
Greta Gerwig has 2.
Patty Jenkins was appreciated for Monster and The Killing long before Wonder Woman.
Ava DuVernay has 22 directing credits with more than one directing nomination.
No mention of Ben Affleck, even Clint Eastwood, who are both award winning directors who could be considered over hyped. So.....what is the point. If they wanted to talk about over hyped directors, they didn't need to include gender.
Because the media is making a big deal about gender now, as well as race and sexuality.
Did those female directors earn those wins and nominations, or did they just tick the right boxes?
That’s how it is these days. It’s not about merit, it’s about blue checkmarks.
Or maybe they actually have talent?
Does Clint Eastwood just tick the right boxes? How about Kevin Costner? Or is it not an issue when it's a white male? I'm seriously asking. I am so sick of comments like this. I haven't seen Nomadland, and I probably won't because it's not a movie that interests me. People obviously liked it. Did all the people who liked it only like it because it was an Asian woman who directed it? What about all the men who were first time directors who won oscars? Did they actually deserve them, or was the movie just the right Oscar bait?
White men don’t tick any boxes, they’re not diverse enough. The darker, queerer, or more female you are, the more privileged and special treatment you get in America.
You can feel however you want, but people are just calling out the hypocrisy and double standards. The media and corporations have made it very clear who they like. The Oscars actually implemented diversity quotas recently that movies need to follow to be even considered for nominations.
That’s why people these days suspect whether any winners deserved it or not. “Oscar bait” has never been more fitting for movies today that go out of their way to be as diverse as possible instead of just trying to be good, or at least fun.
So by your standards, no one who is not a white male could ever achieve anything on their own merit, because they will never be as good as those white males and are only ticking boxes?Gotcha.
shareLol, silly kid 😄 bless you’re little heart if you think POCs can’t compete with whites unless they cheat the system. What do you think diversity quotas are, browski? Look them up and see the hypocrisy for yourself. That’s not what I said, nor are those “my standards”.
If you've seen foreign movies before 2015, such as those by Giullermo del Toro or Hayao Miyazaki, you'd know that there are POCs who earned their awards and adoration through hard work, and not by living life on easy mode while whites are busting their butts just to get noticed.
These days, however, people think POCs should be rewarded just because of their skin color, regardless of how talented they actually are. These days, it's all about ticking boxes, not rewarding hard work.
Awww, bless your little condescending heart for trying to pass that off as what I believe.
I have brought up first time, white male, directors who have won awards and you completely ignore that. Instead, you say that POCs or women who get awards first time out don't deserve them. Then I bring up that the women who filmgeek99 brought up, have had more than one award winning movie. You ignore that and tell me that it's just because of their sex. So, if a woman, a person of colour, or heaven forbid a woman of colour wins an award, it's just a box tick? That's what it seems you are telling me.
These days, it's all about ticking boxes, not rewarding hard work.
Well, we can play at gaslighting each other on what our beliefs and standards are, or we can discuss like adults, your choice.
I mentioned that neither those first time directors, nor the media, relied on their skin color to get recognition, but you ignored that. It’s also been mentioned by myself and others that there are diversity quotas in place to favor POCs and women over white men, not just in the movie industry but in general, and you ignored that as well. Either you’re playing coy or you’re that naive.
When diversity quotas are removed, and when the media and corporations stop obsessing over skin color and gender when hyping up a person or a movie, then people will stop suspecting and start acknowledging one’s accomplishments as due to merit and not because of how they look and/or who they have sex with.
Well, we can play who said what or we can discuss like adultsExactly, when you try to assign words or beliefs which have not been said, you're not discussing like an adult.
I mentioned that neither those first time directors, nor the media, relied on their skin color to get recognition, but you ignored that.
there are diversity quotas in place to favor POCs and women over white men
Exactly, when you try to assign words or beliefs which have not been said, you're not discussing like an adult.
They didn't have to, because they are white men. Because it is the norm, or the status quo, it wouldn't be mentioned. Why would it?
The whole reason that diversity quotas were brought in, was that when the same group runs everything, they hire those who look like them.
I would much rather be recognized for my accomplishments alone, but if because I'm a female means that my nothing I accomplish will be seen to be recognized, then we have a problem.
Where I have assigned a belief which you have not expressed?
Diversity quotas have been around for a long time. They are not something new. It started in the 70s.
I never said that boxes weren't being ticked. You again are assigning statements to me which I have not said.
I have also not said that women directors have never been honoured. Kathyrn Bigelow was the first woman to win best director, and yes, it was recognized that she was the first woman to win, so your argument that there was no need to remind us that she was a woman doesn't really hold up. You also mentioned Sofia Coppola. I might remind you that Lost in Translation was only her second full length film, and she received a ton of recognition for that.
You have taken this conversation in circles. The subject which we are discussing is filmgeek99's comment about women directors getting praise simply because they are women. Again, I bring back my comments that the director's filmgeek99 has listed have had other movies. Chloé Zhao, has now had 3 award nominated movies. So I ask you once again, how many movies does she need to make? Like I mentioned above Sofia Coppola could receive recognition after 2 movies, and that was working hard. So why is Chloé Zhao not working hard after 3?
Why is Ava DuVernay not considered someone who has worked for what she has achieved?
If it's true like filmgeek99 says that they are only mediocre, why is it that when I brought up other directors who could be considered mediocre and who have won acclaim, you have changed the topic?
Where I have assigned a belief which you have not expressed?
Diversity quotas have been around for a long time. They are not something new. It started in the 70s.
I never said that boxes weren't being ticked. You again are assigning statements to me which I have not said.
You have taken this conversation in circles. The subject which we are discussing is filmgeek99's comment about women directors getting praise simply because they are women.
why is it that when I brought up other directors who could be considered mediocre and who have won acclaim, you have changed the topic?
When you claimed that I believed that anyone who's not white can't succeed of their own accord. I never stated or implied that.
Plus you're under the impression that POCs and women aren't being hired because some white men in charge only hire other white men, hence you stated the diversity quotas won't go away until management is mixed and therefore employees are mixed.
You thought filmgeek99 had a problem with female directors, I think he merely has a problem with diversity hires getting over-hyped for diversity's sake. You and I disagreed over that and gave our reasons, and here we are.
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[–] filmgeek99 (406) 3 days ago
Fucking sick of seeing the Marvel brand everywhere, and fucking sick of seeing overhyped, mediocre female directors get lauded with excessive praise after just one film (Patty Jenkins, Ava DuVernay, Greta Gerwig etc) too.
No, I don't see the sexism in there. You're focusing on the wrong detail and jumping to conclusions.
I'll say again, the media keeps making a big deal about race and gender when it shouldn't. Anyone who disagrees with the hype is labelled racist and/or sexist, which is a cheap cop-out to dismiss any valid criticism. Because of that, any praise that's given to these people doesn't feel earned. That is what I believe filmgeek99 and others have been saying.
Once the media and corporations stop making a big deal about those things, and stop with the diversity quotas that forces companies to hire a certain number of specific people, regardless of qualifications, THEN, when someone is praised for something, it'll likely be seen as earned and not forced.
Diversity is fine, but not when its forced, and not at the expense of quality. If representation is such a big deal, let other countries represent themselves, no need to force America to cater to everyone. If it's just some random movie, nobody cares if the cast is diverse as long as its fun. But if the movie has roots in culture and mythology, then changing a character's race, gender, and/or sexuality will not be tolerated. There are other cultures and mythologies that haven't been explored yet if people really want diversity and representation.
There are talented women and POCs out there, the irony is that the media and Hollywood have made it harder for them to be recognized since a lot of mediocre people are being forced down our throats. And we're not allowed to criticize, which has probably desensitized us from seeing any genuine talent.
So, if I said that I was sick of seeing overhyped, white male directors, that wouldn't be sexist, or racist? I think it would be.
shareAre you sick of seeing them specifically because they’re white and male? Or because some of them are over-hyped to you, despite race and gender?
If it’s the former, then yes, that’s racist and sexist. If it’s the latter, then that’s your opinion, and that’s fine.
Fucking sick of seeing the Marvel brand everywhere, and fucking sick of seeing overhyped, mediocre female directors get lauded with excessive praise after just one film (Patty Jenkins, Ava DuVernay, Greta Gerwig etc) too.
shareStar Wars ended in 2005, there are only six movies that matter. Anything else is just grave-digging, in more ways than one.
"Star Wars" ended in 1983. "Return of the Jedi" basically had a big "THE END" at the film's conclusion. Lucas just made the prequels because he wanted to play around with new technologies like virtual characters and digital cinematography. And we know how THAT worked out.
shareYeah, well, the Special Editions are the problem, and that is the only LEGAL version of the OT available (hint, hint). Since they contain Prequel stuff, I figure it's best to have the best of the Prequel movies to give context, so that would be Sith.
Ok, how would Star Wars "Nomadland-style" be?
Thoughts?
A prequel about Obi-Wan aimlessly wandering about on Tatooine for 2 hours, maybe?
shareSounds good. And which character is going to take a shit in the parking lot? Aunt Beru? A droid? Qui Gon Jin?
shareDefinitely Jabba.
shareYou make me want to see this come true... Obi-Wanderer will travel the twin moon planet while doping up on spice and smoking some death sticks. He'll meet the droids only this time sell them to the Jawa's for parts. Aunt Beru OD'd and Uncle Ben is a pimp. Jabba on the other hand is ripped and bulky to the max with sleek shiny skin and slime only a horny man could dream of.
shareUncle Ben? I didn't know Spider-Man existed in the same universe as Star Wars...
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