Looks like this is the guy, Tom Hardy's out:-
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1455961/next-james-bond-rege-jean-page-tom-hardy-pierce-brosnan-odds
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/bridgerton-star-favorite-replace-daniel-craig-james-bond/amp/
I'd prefer Aidan Turner. But, if this guy gets it, I won't be too disappointed as he looks like a mixed race version of Aidan LOL. 🤷♀️🤷♀️😁😁
shareBond is white. They will destroy the franchise with this move.
shareThis. I'm so sick of race swaps.
shareI agree but you mean minorities taking the jobs of whites. The way you put it suggested to me that it was more than the one-way street it actually is.
shareThey're just correcting the racism and discrimination that POC had to endure for so long. White-skin privilege needed to end.
shareby creating more racism for white people. ur saying we need to combat racism with more racism
shareYou're the one promoting racism by wanting to hire only white people. James Bond's race is irrelevant, therefore any race or ethnicity can play the character.
sharehe is Scottish, he should look like he always has. Daniel Crag being blonde was bad enough, changing his skin color would be beyond retarded
shareThere have been black people in Scotland for centuries which makes them Scottish.
There are blond Scotsman.
naw
share"Africans were resident in Scotland. In the early 16th century they were high-status members of the royal retinue. This is clearly recorded at the court of James IV (1473–1513). One African, ‘Petir the Moryen’ (Peter the ‘Moor’) seemed to have had a special relationship with the king – he was free to travel and was given five French crowns at the king’s request for a journey to France."
shareso one afromurican one time once ago in the sands of history visited an now Scottish people are black?!? get out of here libturd!!
shareOctober is Black History Month in Scotland. I suggest you learn about Black-Scottish contributions to their country in the past and present.
Meanwhile, Regé-Jean Page or Idris Elba would make a perfect James Bond.
BTW, 15-20% of Scottish are blond. Daniel Craig was a great Bond!
naw its white history month every month
shareExactly! That's the reason Black History month was created.
shareluckily we gave them the shortest month of the year
shareTHEM
shareOctober is Black History Month in Scotland
february is afromurican history month in USA baby the only country that matters! USA USA USA!!!!!
shareYou hate America since you refuse to know its history.
It started off as Black History Week in February because of Lincoln and Frederick Douglass' birthdays (12 & 14) who were already celebrated in the Black community. The week was later extended. Carter G. Woodson created and promoted it during the 1920s.
i heard it was cuz liberals were forcing us to make a month so we picked the shortest one
shareHe's half breed Scotch because Sean Connery was Scotch. Not the other way round.
shareIf Daniel Craig couldn't destroy the franchise then nothing could...
Anyway, I don't think Bond necessarily has to be white - I mean, if you've (not YOU personally) supported Daniel Craig's "Bond" then you've supported Barbara Broccoli et al killing the character off. Therefore we are now looking at a rebooted Bond and therefore a blank canvas.
Bond can now be whatever they want him to be and that's thanks to Daniel Craig's destruction* of the original cinematic Bond franchise...
* Yes, I meant it
That's the screenwriting version of politicians being OK with horrible treatment of citizens so long as it is legal.
Slight hyperbole surely?
We're talking a fictional character here who has been killed off and is now free to be remolded however they see fit.
The guy's young enough and looks the part. He could take a rebooted series forward for years...
No, it's analogous. I'm well aware of what we're talking about.
shareReminder that this is a major issue with Hollywood i.e. how much they sideline black supporting actors in films i.e. John Boyega in 'The Force Awakens' was made a mockery of, Jeffrey Wright was wasted as Felix with his performance in CR being so short and then them forgetting about him until NTTD where we were supposed to care for him and Bond having a bond... Doctor Who NEVER had a black companion until 2005 - 2007. NEVER had the Doctor had an Asian companion unless you count the 80 min 90's TV film.
Instead what do they do? They CHANGE the race of the main character and call everyone racist if they do not respect their decision... DESPITE so many times in other supporting roles where they could have had a serious Black character rise to the top as a respectable hero they rather butcher them.
Same with Doctor Who. You want a really solid black companion? Nope screw that we will change the race of him and make people angry instead of PROPERLY doing it for the show's lore.
inb4 someone calls me a name - Danny Glover is one of my fav actors in I prefer Predator 2 over the first for how fun and nostalgic it is for me.
When you talk about human race and Doctor Who you lose me. He's an alien. One who was made to regenerate because the original actor couldn't play him anymore. Not human. Not bound by silly human race constraints.
I do agree with you that it would be preferable for great original characters to have new stories. I think that race or gender swapping characters is lazy and we deserve more originality.
inb4 someone calls me a name - Danny Glover is one of my fav actors in I prefer Predator 2 over the first for how fun and nostalgic it is for me.
"They CHANGE the race of the main character and call everyone racist if they do not respect their decision... DESPITE so many times in other supporting roles where they could have had a serious Black character rise to the top as a respectable hero they rather butcher them."
Exactly this. If you're going to race swap a popular white character with a black actor you are, in effect, saying, "Hey, original black characters aren't interesting enough, so it looks like us white people are going have to step in and help them out because they can't do it on their own."
I would think that POC would get pissed and demand that Hollywood start creating original and engaging non-white characters rather than looking for a handout.
I have no desire to see Idris Elba as James Bond simply because he's black. The man's got charisma to spare though... I'd definitely watch him as another character in the Bond-verse. Introduce him as a supporting character in the next Bond iteration then spin him off into his own movies.
The Bond movies made him white.
shareThe Bond movies also made him dead.
Dead = Reboot = Doesn't have to be exactly the same.
Right. He would be playing a different incarnation. No reason to complain about the color of his skin.
shareYou'll have to clarify what you mean by that, i.e. who's the "new Bond" you are referring to?
Do you mean the old one, i.e. Craig? Because if so, I didn't whine about him here - I pointed out that they killed him off and therefore the next Bond will be a reboot and therefore there is no logically sound reason to cry about him not being white if that comes to pass...
No reason to complain about the color of his skin.
I didn't know all Scots and swedes are white.
shareBlack population during 1940's Scotland wasd about 0.7%. So yes he would have been white or are you suggesting there were no white people in Africa when Black Panther was created. Well we know that wasn't the case don't we.
But that is all irrelevant as Ian Fleming created him to be white as described above and you can go look it up yourself. The amount of black people in a country is again irrelevant.
Black population during 1940's Scotland wasd about 0.7%.
But he isn't black. He is white. Get over it.
The stats were because he said there would have been black people in Scotland. The current stats in 2020 are even less for African as it is 0.5%. Scotland is a 96% white country.
Who said he had to be 80. Daniel Craig wasn't 80. Infact none of them were even though they were all based on the same character created by Ian Fleming during the 50's.
You can make any one sided arguement as you want. The fact of the matter is Bond is white and Black Panther is black. That is how it should stay.
Europe is not America. Black people in Europe is about 10 million out of 770 milllion population.
Who said he had to be 80
Learn to read and you wouldn't make that mistake
I didn't know all Scots and swedes are white.
I'm not too sure why you're talking about Ian Fleming here either? Daniel Craig's "Bond" died in the previous film, this will be a reboot
There is no requirement to follow whatever race the character was previously...
Learn to readLove how you wrote that then immediately quoted a reply from another poster! Priceless stuff again 😂
Oh, I'm sorry - perhaps I misunderstood you
Again I'm not interested in stupid deflective comment like Black Panther or Blade. They're utterly irrelevant to a discussion re the requirement of a rebooted James Bond to definitively be white in the 2020s.
Can you give me an example from any previous Bond film - not the books - when his race played a key part in his characterisation? Or even when his backstory/ parentage was even brought up to any degree?
I asked you to exclude the books quite deliberately as I believe you aren't a complete idiot so knew that you would know them to be irrelevant to the character's skin colour in a rebooted FILM series.
And why do you keep going on about Blade and Black Panther? I didn't mention them and couldn't give a flying f-ck about either of these yet for some reason it seems key to your argument of why a rebooted Bond should be white! Wtf 🤷
But please do give me one example in, what 25+ films when James Bond's white background was discussed or relevant to the story?
I'm sure you'll have many examples given its importance... 😉
I asked you to exclude the books quite deliberately
But please do give me one example in, what 25+ films when Jame s Bond's white background was discussed or relevant to the story?
I'm sure you'll have many examples given its importance.
I don't have to give one example of anything
Not an untypical reply and wholly expected to be honest.
I gave you your answer which is the authors creation. Who he was created and insipred from. His country of origin. His parents. His heritage and lineage. All of these point to his skin colour. You just choose to ignore them and ignore them you have. Why? Due to you being a hypocrite. I don't answer one sided questions that will only lead to the same narrative going around and around.
You have also ignored everything I wrote once again because you are a hypocrite, I have to keep repeating this because you are. I even said I could say the same thing about Blade but it is pointless as that is how he was created and the same is said for Bond. I wouldn't want anyone changed but you do. Why is that?
You basically will say that white to black is fine as skin colour is unimportant because white people are just white people. But black to white can't happen because skin colour is important. Like I have repeatedly said, you are a hypocrite.
If you don't want to answer that is fine (but I believe you will). You don't like bering wrong.
I posed a simple question. Is skin colour important or is it not. Which is it to be.
Ignore the books. Yeh not gonna happen. The books created the character, without the books he doesn't exist.
James Bond was inspired by white people and created to be white, written as a white person and is white. You don't like this for some reason. I wonder why that is.
No. It is you who is the hypocrite - I have pointed out to you on multiple occasions that we are discussing a REBOOT to a film series of over 25 films thus far.
I have asked you to provide just one example from ANY of these films as to where his background was discussed or his skin colour relevant to the character of James Bond. You cannot provide even ONE because no such example actually exists in the film series, as I suspect you are well aware...
Therefore you are reduced to discussing the original books - which even excluding skin colour vary wildly from the subsequent film series - and throwing up stats on the population of Scotland in the 1940s 😂.
You are simply being intellectually dishonest because you know you have absolutely nothing - not one thing! - from the films to back up your claim as to the importance of the character's skin colour.
In a way I feel quite sorry for you because despite your claims of the importance of his skin colour, you have shown yourself to be something of a fraud and are forced to continuously cycle back to Fleming's original novels and cannot draw anything from decades of films, which is what we are discussing the continuation of here. This is where your "honest guv'nor, I'm not a racist" line is blown apart. You cannot cite one example of why it's important he's white on screen...
I'm sure you'll feel compelled to reply to even this but unless you can provide any example from ANY of the films to give any weight to your argument I'm done.
Good luck to you Sir 👍
I will do exactly what you have been doing and ignore eveything you wrote and only look at one part.
No. It is you who is the hypocrite
you are simply being intellectually dishonest
I'm sure you'll feel compelled to reply to even this
Your arguments are dishonest and not meant to come to a higher understanding.
shareWhat are you talking about Sparky? What precisely have I said that is dishonest here?
I attempted to get another user to qualify HIS reasoning based upon the facts of what was presented in the films, and that was not forthcoming, so I gave up...
No they didn't but nice try.
The biggest inspiration for the character was from his own brother Peter Fleming. Not really black is he.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Fleming_(writer)
The many people he met during his time in Naval Intelligence during the 2nd World War also helped mold what he looks and acts like. Again wouldn't of been black
His original appearance was taken form the composer Hoagy Carmichael. Again not very black is he.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoagy_Carmichael
Mf, if his whiteness isn't made explicit, then it's all conjecture.
shareMf, if his whiteness isn't made explicit, then it's all conjecture.
You're a bad faith actor. I'm done with your whataboutism ass.
shareI'm done with your whataboutism
if his whiteness isn't made explicit, then it's all conjecture.As I said it is made very clear his nationality and skin colour. You just don't want it to be and so you hide behind a saying
whataboutismbecause you have nothing to offer other than muh racism, suprisingly just like Keelai and try and shut the discussion down.
Actually, I've consistently used the example of Black Panther being white and adopted by an African family, and he could still be Black Panther.
That example always makes Lefties apoplectic because they don't have an answer or excuse why Black Panther can't be an adopted Caucasian in Africa.
Its ok you get upset when a characters race isn't essential gets portrayed different than what you are used to. You proved this by being upset about Zoe Kravitz as Catwoman. Despite the fact that Eartha Kitt portrayed her and she wasn't white in the year one comic. Your brain melts when I say this.
Good thing people like you don't get your way. We will get a sequel to the Batman abd nothing you can do to change it.
If it ain't white it ain't right.
Can you honestly picture this effeminate looking streak of piss pulling off Bond?
shareJames Bond is possibly the most overtly heterosexual male character ever & unfortunately I think this guy is just too flaming to ever make it work. Hardy is a solid actor but he's on the shorter side & a bit old. He'll be pushing 50 by the time the franchise reboot gets released
shareYeah but it's going to be a reboot and these are changed times. Everyone's bi-sexual these days so you need a spy who's prepared to play for Manchester United AND Manchester City so to speak...
Even the god awful Skyfall was hinting that Bond was more than capable of a bit of LGBTQ+ action so I think it's quite possible that this is the kind of Bond that the public now demands.
I applaud you for being among those of us who didn't buy into the inexplicable hype of Skyfall (God awful movie indeed). That said I kind of have to disagree with you on the other point. If they want to make a spin off series about a bi-sexual spy then go ahead but Bond was simply never that by any stretch. One gay, narcissistic hack screenwriter (John Logan) felt compelled to crowbar a throwaway line of ambiguous dialogue in a terrible Bond movie in a lame attempt to plant the seeds of speculation that could eventually redefine Bond as gay & it was a total failure. It's not going to happen.
shareWell we did have Mr Wint and Mr Kidd try to bang Bond and that was back in the early 70s!
I applaud you straight back on also noting perhaps the slightly more important matter of recognising Skyfall in being an absolute disgrace of a Bond film. It served as the final straw for me as far as Craig was concerned.
Daniel Craig is a solid actor but from the start i felt he was completely wrong for the part & he never grew on me. His look was all wrong & I didn't care for his take on Bond as a brooding thug with little charisma. All of the stars seemed perfectly aligned for Clive Owen to take over the role for Casino Royale (who would have been absolutely amazing IMO) but instead we got the bizarre curveball of Daniel Craig who selfishly clung to the role for 15 years, ensuring Clive Owen would be too old to ever get the part.
Part of the reason why I especially hate Skyfall is that after the Quantum of Solace Daniel Craig bluffed that he'd rather "slit his wrists" than do another Bond which gave me hope that Clive Owen could take over but nope, Craig got his payday and signed on for more movies & the hype machine surrounding Skyfall made it such a commercial success (despite being a giant turd) that it kept Craig around for another decade of mediocrity. But i degress
Yeah, I agree that Clive Owen looked the part and could have made a great Bond - especially as a continuation on from Brosnan.
Having said that tbh I don't recall really knowing too much about him until seeing Children of Men - which was when there seemed to be a bit of a campaign for him to be Bond - but I guess Craig was already in the role by that point...
Clive Owen made a movie called King Arthur. It's a really good interpretation without the supernatural aspects. When it appeared Clive was going to be named the new James Bond, the producer held up the release to coincide with the announcement counting on the publicity to drive ticket sales. When he didn't get the role, film was released a year after the major advertising had already been done and it bombed at the box office.
shareOwen was the destined to play Bond but Wokeness needed a "different" post modern Bond ugly as fu€Κ a T-800 like assassin with no charm cold and bland.Craig was a horrible choice
Fassbender was a better choice and of course Owen.Barbara Broccoli destroyed Bond for all the true fans just like Kathleen Kennedy destroyed Star Wars Han Solo Luke Skywalker and Leia...