Should illegals be given a path to citizenship? Thomas Sowell answers.
https://x.com/ThomasSowell/status/1849891420250726749
shareIn the 80's, illegal immigration from a libertarian standpoint was good because it forced the immigrants to work and did not give them handouts which they would have qualified for if they had come legally. But today that is no longer the case because illegals now are given benefits.
Milton Friedman - Illegal Immigration - PT 1
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3eyJIbSgdSE
Who the hell is going to work all the jobs in the country if you cut immigration, when the U.S. currently has a birthrate of 1.6? That means for every 2 people, there will be 1.6 for the next generation.
And that number is rapidly declining. So pretty soon you will have 1 person born for every 2 people.
Where are the people going to magically come from in the next generation, if we don't have immigration?
Immigration isn't even a choice at this point, for low birthrate countries like UK, USA, Canada. It's a neccecity.
There won't be anyone else to work without immigration. We won't be able to build or repair roads or infrastructure, and we won't have farm workers to even produce food for us..
We aren't producing enough babies anymore to have a massive generation of working youths and young adults. Most of our kids don't even want to work, let alone leave their parent's houses. They are too full of mental health issues to even maintain a job.
The only people fighting immigration are stupid people who think that we can solve all society's problems, by simply stopping people from coming from another country to fill our massive labour shortages which are not going to be filled otherwise.
How about address and fix the low birthrate and low work-ethic problems instead of letting foreigners with low skill sets flood in and replace the population?
Many of those immigrants don’t wanna work either, since tax-paid welfare will take care of them anyway.
"How about address and fix the low birthrate"
Because that's an impossible problem to solve, Look at Japan and South Korea. It's happening all over the world. No countries really know how to combat low birthrates.
You can just throw money at couples, hoping they will have babies. But that obviously isn't going to work. It's not that easy a problem to solve. It's a global issue, even affecting all African countries and China, India, everywhere.
You can't solve it by isolating yourself off from other countries, being an isolationist.
That's idiotic. Especially in 2024.
Being an 'isolationist' in foreign or domestic policy, at any time, is a totally idiotic policy. During WW1, WW2, now, or any time. If you want U.S to continue to be the superpower, act like it. Don't act like a child and isolate yourself from the world, and just take your ball and go home. It's pathetic.
One key is to reduce the cost of living and the tax burden that makes having kids so expensive. I know a few couples who would love to have more children, but they stop at one or two because it's so damned expensive.
shareBecause that's an impossible problem to solve
It's not impossible, in fact it's entirely treatable and preventable.
In addition to what Darren said about making childcare less expensive, they should also stop with the anti nuclear family propaganda. Stop telling women that "they don't need no man", stop saying that men are inherently bad, stop telling people that polygamy is cool, or that marriage is archaic and patriarchal.
Most of our kids don't even want to work, let alone leave their parent's houses.
Stop indoctrinating kids with commie propaganda, stop telling white kids to hate themselves (especially since white people make up the bulk of the American and British demographics), stop telling minority kids they're perpetual victims who are entitled to reparations. Stop abusing the welfare system too, save it for people that actually need it, like retired war vets and orphans.
Stop having ridiculous requirements for entry-level jobs, and start hiring workers based on merit, with fair pay appropriate for the job and skill level.
I can't speak for Japan and other countries, but I can suspect that they have similar issues. Immigration will not fix the problem, it will only erase the previous population and change the country into something it's not. Unless ethnic cleansing was your plan all along, that's not the solution you wanna push for.
You can't solve it by isolating yourself off from other countries, being an isolationist. That's idiotic.
Whenever America tries to help, they're accused of policing the world, meddling in affairs, and ruining countries. When they wanna mind they're own business, they're accused of isolation. Make up your mind.
Either way, any country should always look out for itself first, and only interfere if their allies are in trouble with the threat of world war, and even then, countries should still prioritize their funds to their own citizens above all others. No country can thrive without its people. share
Did you even read my post? I said that immigration from a libertarian POV is a good thing when the immigrants come to work fresh off the boats.
Most Western countries save for maybe Canada and Australia no longer have much labour-based immigration as in the past. Rather, the foreign-born populations tend to have statistically higher rates of unemployment than the native population.
Immigrants will get old and need pensions too.
Then there is AI coming to replace the manual jobs anyway.
What are you talking about? The US population has increased at a crazy rate every single time they’ve taken the census, and it’s never declined. The population has more than tripled in the last 100 years. Who was working all the jobs back then? You couldn’t get a job during the Great Depression. It will be fine. Population growth is out of control with no solution, if we are headed towards a decline, just let it happen.
shareYes... the U.S. population is increasing solely because of immigration. The fertility rate for the U.S. is , like I said , 1.6 births per woman.
Do you not know basic math? Anything below 2 is below replacement level, thus you need immigration to grow population. It hasn't been at replacement level since 2009, and it's continuing to decline.
So, since 2009, there are not enough women in the U.S. having babies to sustain growth and the average woman has 1.6 babies in her lifetime. So an average couple isn't even having 2 kids. So that's 1 less person next generation. Multiply that in the millions, and you get millions less people next generation.
That's just basic math going by U.S Census data from last year.
Thus, the only growth in the U.S, Canada and U.K population for the future generations, is coming from immigration.
If they cut immigration, the population of those countries is going to TORPEDO at rapid rate the likes of which Japan will be seeing in 30+ years.
Everyone knows Japan is a shrinking population. The Japanese people are predicted to go extinct in the next 300 years. And what has Japan been to the West, if not a vision of the future? The only difference is Japan has very little immigration so they essentially are going extinct as a result.
I'm not disputing basic math, I'm disputing your assertion that we need population growth, or we won't be able to fill jobs. If you reduce the US population by 15%, you go back to what the population was in the year 2000. Did we have trouble filling jobs then? Nope, the country was in a recession. We are overpopulated already, and we are continuing to grow and grow with no real solution for slowing it down. It's not sustainable.
shareA country with legal immigration involving numbers that dwarf the remaining countries of the world combined, does not need recurring caravans of hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to fill open menial jobs
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