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You're just being rhetorical, aren't you?
Race being an artificial and man-made construct has some clear definitions that attaches a whole lot of baggage that you clearly understand.
He is referred to as Black, or the Magic Negro, or African American because they are names and labels that on one hand are used to demonize him, belittle him or uplifts him depending on the views of the "labeler".
Ignorance is bliss.
I guess I don’t really have a real purpose with this post. Just confused or maybe even annoyed. If a 100% African American guy gets elected president will we say he’s the second black president? I’d think the 100% black guy that got elected would feel like that statement is inaccurate as well.
shareWhy would you be confused or maybe even annoyed?
The one-drop rule is a social and legal principle of racial classification that was historically prominent in the United States asserting that any person with even one ancestor of sub-Saharan-African ancestry (“one drop” of black blood) is considered black (Negro in historical terms).
If a 100% African American guy gets elected president will we say he’s the second black president?Let's start with your first statement. You're not 100% sure what a 100% African American is? You're already questioning the racial identity of all the ADOSs, Mixed-Race Africans born in the United States of America and those who choose to self-identify based on shades of skin-tone and DNA. All of their authenticy and accuracy can and will vary but for all intent and purpose, they are 100% African-American. They need not be 50/50 by parents and could very well be 1%/99% by DNA. My survey varies dramatically from yours, and the 100% black guy that got elected would feel like that statement is inaccurate as well.Without you asking those people who identify as African American, you'd probably be surprised with how your speculative thoughts are so very wrong and different. share
Sorry but you lost me with some of this. Can you help clarify? So we are correct to call him black because of the one drop rule? But the 100% black guy would disagree that he’s the second black guy elected (Obama being the first)?
I’m aware I’m ignorant on this topic, I guess it’s annoying to me because it seems it should be as simple as this: a 50/50 is neither only black or only white, but is mixed.
There are no 100% black African-Americans in the U.S. because of centuries of rape from white slaveowners and other factors.
Stop being paternalistic (aka: white racist arrogance) by defining what qualifies as black.
Is that clear enough for you?
I’m really just trying to understand what “black” is supposed to mean. It’s just interesting to me. I don’t want to offend anyone, just want to learn so I’m less ignorant. Is a person black because of “one drop” and a person is white because of zero drops? And this is universally accepted? Is this something I was supposed to have been taught at one time and apparently missed out or wasn’t paying attention?
shareYes to all of your questions...
You're not ignorant- you're observant. Obama is not the first 100% black president. We still haven't had the first 100% black president, but people with "feelings" will argue with me, and call me (and you) an idiot for pointing out that he's 50% white, and 50% black. Therefore he is of mixed heritage and not the first 100% black president. He is the first president who had a dark complexion so, he was passed off as being the first black president. However (I believe) that I read somewhere that other US presidents (four if I remember correctly) did have black blood in their bloodline, but it did not show in their skin color. This is entirely possible as I have Native American blood in my bloodline, but I am as white as a white person can get- which I am sure some goof in this thread will latch onto in order to call me some kind of racist for not agreeing with the logic that Obama is not the first black president, but knowing (based upon scientific facts) that he is the first president of mixed heritage that had a dark complexion.
sharemany mixed kids are rejected by white kids (or simply made fun of)
this causes them to choose to identify as "Black"
that is also what happened with BO
Does this really explain Barack though? Someone else pointed out that Barack corrected people all the time when they’d call him black. So doesn’t sound like he chose to identify this way, more that it was just kind pushed on him.
shareMany mixed race kids are rejected by African American kids as well. They don't think they are "black" enough.
shareYou can't have it both ways.
For more than 100 years (since before the Civil War), legally anyone with even a drop of Black blood was considered Black and therefore not deemed as worthy as someone who is White. In fact those of mixed race often face more discrimination that those who are simply of a minority race.
So it's more than just a little hypocritical to say, "Well, he's not all Black, so ... "
I’m not sure if I’m being hypocritical, I’m just talking about the accuracy of the statement. Is it a generally accepted rule nowadays that anyone with a drop of black blood is called black? Because if it is, then that would clear up my confusion. But this is the first time I’ve heard of this rule.
shareIt's very real to anyone who is mixed race. There are parts of the United States (can't speak for other countries) where those of mixed race still (today) face harsher racism than those who are African American.
Sadly, racism is very much alive today. I understand that many people who have never been the victim of racism might not understand, but those who have will understand the desire to celebrate when a member of a minority group is elected President.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
One-drop rule
The one-drop rule is a social and legal principle of racial classification that was prominent in the 20th century United States. It asserted that any person with even one ancestor of black ancestry ('one drop' of 'black blood') is considered black (Negro or colored in historical terms). It is an example of hypodescent, the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union between different socioeconomic or ethnic groups to the group with the lower status, regardless of proportion of ancestry in different groups.
This concept became codified into the law of some U.S. states in the early 20th century. It was associated with the principle of "invisible blackness" that developed after the long history of racial interaction in the South, which had included the hardening of slavery as a racial caste system and later segregation.
So is the one drop rule viewed as a good thing? To me it just seems like a less accurate way to identify oneself. If Obama says “well I’m not black I’m biracial” would we have tell him he’s wrong? Is biracial only accurate when black is not involved?
shareYou're kidding, right? Are you honestly asking if this form of racism is good? As if any form of racism is ever ok? Wow!
shareSo why are we willing identify ourselves according to this rule that we agree is no good, and not grounded in reality?
shareNot at all what I said. I said it's not ok to be racist towards someone and then tell them that they are not allowed to identify with said race.
But, I realize you are not actually trying to understand or be compassionate in any way. You just want to cause trouble.
Not necessarily to the op but for most of the commenters on President Obama's thread:
Thanks for the laughs
And thanks for reminding me that he will always be in your hearts andd minds
LOL
I love that President Obama is such a thorn in the ass for all you old racists that you're still screaming your indignation at each other on obscure forums and trying to figure out if you can insult him more by calling him white or black LOL
You can't insult President Obama at all. He's happy and successful and too busy for the internet.
But, you sure can make the rest of us laugh.
Go forth Boomers LOL
Thanks, I guess I showed my ignorance on this one and I still can’t say I understand it. I got nothing against Obama and don’t mean to insult anyone. I google search ‘Obama black or multiracial’ and it seems there is no consensus. Maybe the answer is just it depends on your definition and we aren’t all defining it the same way. People seemed to get irritated that I brought the question up though.
sharePeople can disagree about this all they want but as I said before (and as President Obama also said in his book and as I bet nearly any other mixed race person will tell you:
Doesn't matter what you call yourself.
Your life experience is how the world perceives you before you ever get a chance to "self identify".
The world decides for all of us.
It's why so many white people don't understand "privilege", they've only experienced a world that perceived and reacted to
them as white, therefore the fear of police violence or feeling of being suspect isn't is part of daily life and the absence of it is hard to view as privilege
The world we get is the person the world decides we are.
He is black under the one drop rule that has defined American thinking about race for a long time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
The one drop rule was created by white people.
Bill Clinton was the first black president. Joe Biden said so. Nobody understands black culture better than Joe Biden.
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