Putin THREATENS US Over Tank Shipment To Ukraine, Warns Of Nuclear Retaliation - Vladimir Putin Discussion

[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11952) 2 years ago

Americans and Western Europeans need to think long and hard about what's more important: Zelenskyyyyyy and the Ukrainian oligarchs? Or your family, and Earth?

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[–] Bubbathegut (18048) 2 years ago

Dems dont care, making money is more important to them. If they could make money on the destruction of the Earth then they would find a way.

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[–] tom8 (3119) 2 years ago

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[–] bananaman87 (57) 2 years ago

oh man...Putin really making a fool out of himself between saying that the war would have been over in a matter of weeks and the constant empty threats of using a nuclear bomb.

Just another politician who's full of shit...as usual, not much to see here I guess

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[–] emori (3661) 2 years ago

The level of cowardliness among trupmists is staggering. If Trump would be president now then russians would already invade Alaska and take it back. Saying they will nuke the world if USA would try to kick them out. And Trump would just give it to then proudly saying he averted World War 3 by doing so. Because he is such a coward.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11952) 2 years ago

Uh, I'm American. What possible reason would I have to risk nuclear war over some greasy little man in a t-shirt and a bunch of wealthy Ukrainians?

Cowardice, you say? If that's the same "cowardice" which would have stopped our disastrous invasions of Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and 50 other third world countries ... sign me up!!! 🤣

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[–] emori (3661) 2 years ago

No, hon. Your commitment to sit in Zelenskyi an putin threads and non-stop spreading nazi russian propaganda makes me think that you are either russian who lives in USA for a long time. Or you are a typical trumpist coward who sits on blogs and twitter feeds of fellow trumpists and keep consuming russian propaganda that they feed you. And they are so pro-russian because they are traitors who would rather see their own country under russian control then under democrats. They hate democrats so much that they would rather suck putins penis and want him to win over Ukraine because in their traitor maids it would be win over democrats.

There was a reason why nazi russians were so obsessed with Trump and prayed for himto win. And prayed for republicans to win. Because they see that those are their lap dogs and serve them. Why on earth they do that and humiliate themselves that much is beyond me. There is a way to win over democrats without becoming russian pets.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11952) 2 years ago

You really don't get it. The American government has excuses for every one of these constant interventions in these wars which have nothing to do with the security of the U.S. or our NATO allies.

We've been in a constant state of war for over 60 years. And we usually lose them any way.

What is the fucking point?

And what's your agenda? There are children who go hungry in America. Why the hell are we sending billions to this creepy little man in a tee shirt?

I don't give a rat's ass about Trump or Putin. I didn't vote for either of them. But they're not begging me for money. Zelenskyyyyyy and the Ukrainian oligarchs are.

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[–] tom8 (3119) 2 years ago

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[–] TwaddleSpew (-2) 2 years ago

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[–] tom8 (3119) 2 years ago

you fucking moron....... if trump was still president, russia would not have invaded ukraine.

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putin waited till the weak biden was in office.

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[–] Gd5150 (11747) 2 years ago

You forgot to call everyone a nazi. Asshat

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[–] TwaddleSpew (-2) 2 years ago

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11952) 2 years ago

^ ^ ^
Spewing twaddle.

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[–] tom8 (3119) 2 years ago

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[–] Seperatrix (1214) 2 years ago

Or Putin, the oligarch.

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[–] AckbarsRevenge (3800) 2 years ago

yeah, that's what he's been doing for years. it's his shtick. and there are enough useful idiots in the west to fall for it.

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[–] strntz (12224) 2 years ago

He's got nothing left. He dropped his pants and showed the world his tiny dick. His military is a joke - all he's got is a nuke threat.

If Pute tried a nuke strike (he wouldn't - his military would take him out first), Russia would cease to exist forever. The short term damage would be enormous but maybe in the end it would be worth it.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11952) 2 years ago

Putin owns a third of Ukraine now. Don't be ridiculous. Russia would lose a nuclear war with the U.S. But not until he's blown up half the U.S. Why the fuck would we even want to risk that over "Little Russia"? What a joke.

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[–] strntz (12224) 2 years ago

Every time a despot like Putin is allowed to deny other country's of their own rights to their own destiny, the world becomes a more dangerous place. Ask Neville Chamberlain.

"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." ~ Martin Niemöller

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11952) 2 years ago

And you can say the same about Ho Chi Minh, Ayatollah Khomeni and Saddam Hussein. But we lost more that we gained by trying to take them out. We've been doing this for 60 years. It doesn't work. We can't put out every fire. Let them fight their own battle.

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[–] strntz (12224) 2 years ago

Not a good analogy. We're not trying to take Putey out and institute a regime change, we're trying to help a sovereign neighbor defend themselves from an invader - an invader who will keep trying to expand into the next sovereign nation if he gets away with this one.

All Putey boy needs to do is pack up what's left of his third-rate shit hole army and go home to end this. He won't however because he gambled and lost.

Because of Putey, the world knows that Russia is a paper tiger with an aging and decrepit military, it knows a NATO membership is the best way to prevent Russia from invading, and more importantly, the world knows to NEVER trust Russia again.

Because his gamble backfired, he has no way out except by "falling" down a flight of stairs.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11952) 2 years ago

I didn't give an analogy. I showed a pattern of the U.S. meddling in every corner of the globe and to no avail.

It's not our job to support every country which is invaded.

We have treaties with the NATO nations. If Poland is invaded we are required to come to their defense.

Ukraine had never been independent until 1991. For a thousand years it was part of Russia. It's actually the homeland of the Russian people. It's a post-Soviet problem.

Putin doesn't want NATO missiles on his border just like JFK couldn't allow Soviet missiles in Cuba. It would be a constant provocation to World War III.

I don't give enough fucks about this corrupt little country to risk war with Russia over.

THIS IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.

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[–] strntz (12224) 2 years ago

I didn't give an analogy. I showed a pattern of the U.S. meddling in every corner of the globe and to no avail.

Sure you did. Those examples of U.S. meddling are in no way analogous to helping defend a sovereign nation from outside attack.

NATO is not a threat to Russia, never has been, and never will be. Not even Putey believes that. He's trying to rebuild one of the most oppressive regimes in history. Not going to happen. Russia cannot conquer Ukraine, cannot stop Finland and Sweden from joining NATO, and can never regain the world's trust.

He not only fucked himself but Russia for the next 50 years at best.

But I've said enough on this. Last comment is yours.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11952) 2 years ago

Saddam Hussein was a tyrant. But now the general consensus is that the U.S. invasion of Iraq was wrong. It's not our job to defend every sovereign nation, especially when we have no defense treaty with them.

Again, this is just not a war which warrants U.S. intervention, any more that the Soviet Union had a right to put missiles in Cuba. Cuba is our backyard. Ukraine is theirs.

After 60 years of these nonstop U.S. invasions, Ukraine is no more our business than any of the others. At some point we have to say no more.

Russia is not trying rebuild their empire. They wanted to keep NATO out of Ukraine, just like we didn't want Soviet nukes in Cuba.

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[–] strntz (12224) 2 years ago

OK, one more even though I said I wouldn't:

Ukraine was not going to join NATO - they had zero plans to do so. There's a good chance they will now after the Russian infestation is gone. To say that preventing Ukraine from joining NATO was Russia's reason is not based in fact. At all.

Again, Ukraine nor NATO was ever a threat to Russia. Even Putin doesn't believe that. Nor is ridding Ukraine of "Nazis". No one with any sense of truth or logic believes that. Putin *does* want to expand Russia. He's an old school U.S.S.R. commie and is nostalgic for the "glory" days of the old Soviet Union.

The U.S. was probably wrong to take out Hussein in a regime change, which is what the mission was about as well as ridding Iraq of WMD. So far it seems like Iraq is better off without Saddam but it depends on who you ask, but I agree - it was a mistake. Forgetting that, this is *not* analogous in any way to helping Ukraine defend itself.

You know what is? The U.S. putting their noses into WWII and supplying European nations and China with planes, munitions, fuel, food, etc. in their fight to stop Germany and Japan from expanding. That is what this is about.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11952) 2 years ago

But you ignore what happened in 2014. There was a pro-American coup. Russia retaliated by seizing Crimea. Now, Crimea is a whole other ball of wax.

The Soviet Union gave Crimea to Ukraine in 1954. Crimea had never been part of Ukraine. And in 2014 90% of the Crimean population was ethnic Russian. Seriously, I can't fault Russia for taking it back. One can make a strong argument that it never legitimately belonged to Ukraine in the first place.

So in 2014 the new pro-American government in Kyiv did indeed make joining NATO a priority.

You have to put yourself in Putin's shoes. He had to stop it before it started.

My point about Iraq or Afghanistan or any of the other American invasions, is that we always had noble reasons to invade.

I would also contend that Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a nice buffer to the real threat in the region, Iran. Iraq was Iran's enemy. They fought several intermittent wars. All we've done by our Neo-Con meddling is neutralize Iraq and give Iran more power.

Russia doesn't want their "empire back". They have great relations with Belarus, and even Armenia. They don't dare move on Kazakhistan and Muslim Central Asia or they'll risk Jihad from their Arab allies. We've also seen their conventional forces cannot even occupy all of Ukraine, let along anything else.

All Russia has is nukes. And that's the problem. We're back to JFK and Cuba again. Just stay out of their backyard.

And please, no one compares the invasion of Ukraine to World War II. In a thousand years Ukraine had never been independent until 1991. It was a part of Russia and before that it was Byzantine. It's Little Russia.

And, it's one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. Not worth the risk of a war between the U.S. & Russia.

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[–] alexjohans0n (2094) 2 years ago

Imagine Joe Biden and our military if Mr Putin wanted to create new FOBs in Mexico, Cuba & Venezuela!

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (11952) 2 years ago

Exactly. NATO nukes in Ukraine is comparable to when the Soviets tried to put nukes in Cuba. Putin is doing exactly what JFK did to avert a nuclear war.

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[–] alexjohans0n (2094) 2 years ago

Indeed!

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[–] SickSpazmoid (843) 2 years ago

He does this every week.

Amazes me that people still don't get it. It is not even about Ukraine. If you ask me, they are not that different in mentality from the Russians, not matter how the media portays them. The problem is that Ukraine wanted closer ties with the so called "West" and Putin wanted to flex his muscles and prevent it. Now this turned into a proxy war that nobody wanted, neither USA (preoccupied with China and internal issues), neither Putin (apparently he thought that this would be a week or two operation to topple the unpopular (then) government of Zelensky.)

The problem now is that if USA and co. ignore this, they will display a weakness. Big part of Kremlin propaganda is that NATO is a joke and not a real military alliance. Not only Russia (and Putin) will take huge boost if "the West" ignores the situation, but also all other potential and current enemies of USA, China including (China surely is taking notes and recalculating its ambitions about Taiwan)

These things follow their own logic and rules. They did so for all of human history. It could turn ugly, but that is how it is. So, stop whining about money and such. This is not even the issue, numbnuts.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8142) 2 years ago

How come no one's mentioned these guys as a genuine "source" of News?

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[–] Gd5150 (11747) 2 years ago

Looking forward to when the west gets a real President who puts diplomacy and the lives of Ukrainians and Russians ahead of personal profits from the military industrial complex.

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[–] Gd5150 (11747) 2 years ago

Well with the amateur night move of blowing up nord stream by the Democrat party acting as president, Putin has every right to retaliate.

Democrat party ass hattery is once again going to get Americans killed. And for a war they want no part of.

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