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The Singularity will end the human race as you know it...


Let me begin by saying...Raymond Kurzweil is not just some dingbat living on the Vegas strip. If you polled all of the worlds scientists and asked them who the top scientist in the world is, more likely than not Mr. Kurzweil would be at the top of the list.

"The Singularity" is a common term among theoretical physicists. Kurzweil co-opts the term for his own purpose to mean the point in time where artificial intelligence starts exceeding human intelligence. Thereafter, AI takes over its own programming and, being so powerful, does a better and better job of it. Because things are already moving so fast today, the accelerating rate of change means that "The Singularity" is closer than even optimists might imagine. He projects it to occur somewhere around 2045. Afterwards, nothing will ever again be the same.

In physics, unimaginable things start happening at singularity points, like energy explosions within black holes. Following Kurzweil's Singularity, the most garish science fiction fantasies start becoming commonplace. The combination of genetics, nanotechnology and robotics - which he refers to collectively as GNR - will transform all aspects of human existence. He believes, for example, that nanobots released into a person's bloodstream, will facilitate a comprehensive (that is to say, 100%) map of that person, including genetic code and nervous system, that can be uploaded and downloaded at will onto new "substrates". In other words, robotic copies of human beings - body, mind, memories, and (one presumes) soul - can be made that will appear indistinguishable from the originals. And for that matter, those originals themselves can be re-shaped at will, giving us all the opportunity to become brilliant, strong, happy, and beautiful.

Kurzweil tells us that artificial circuits replicating themselves at a molecular level will merge with the biological circuits that constitute our nervous systems, giving rise an "enhanced" human super-intelligence. Once this starts happening, what we now call the Internet will in effect become telepathic, giving these enhanced humans instantaneous access to all available knowledge and information as they fashion their brave new world. You see how explosive this gets? And it's just the beginning.

Once the process gets underway, the evolving super-intelligence keeps expanding until it permeates the entire planet and, still accelerating, eventually the universe. Kurzweil suggests that movement though time-space "wormholes" should one day facilitate rapid travel beyond our own galaxy, taking the process literally everywhere.

If live long enough (2045-ish) to see the Singularity happen in full, you could live forever, you could be young forever. Even on another planet and/or in another galaxy. And this reality could be closer than you can imagine.

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So what do u think? :)

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I think 2045 is unlikely for the results you are suggesting.

THat's only twenty more years.


Big leap from direct connection to nerves and full copies for one example. I could see that taking quite a while, decades at least.


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The speed at which technology is advancing, my friend, is what is referred to as "exponential growth". Anyone who has ever played around with the arithmetic of compounding and exponential growth knows how crazy the numbers get as growth feeds on itself. The phenomenon is quite real in the real world, and it describes everything from viral epidemics to Warren Buffet's fortune. Kurzweil applies the exponential growth paradigm to the future of technology. He sees not only change itself accelerating, but the rate of change too. The math starts quickly approaching infinity, which is why it's so weird.

Let's say you needed work done at your house for a month...a neighborhood kid says "I really want the job. Not so much for this job, but I want you to hire me in the future too. So I'll work for just a penny for the first day...just double the amount you pay me each day for the month and I'll do the job no problem." You quickly think to yourself "Hmmm...a penny on the 1st day. So that's 2 cents on day 2. 4 cents on day 3. 8 cents on day 4. Sheesh, that will never amount to anything in a month! Boy, this kid really wants the work! I'll hire him!" Little did you know, the kid pulled a fast one on you...on the last day of the month, you will owe him over $10-Million dollars that day alone!

That is what is happening with technology. Did you hear about Tyler Perry cancelling his planned $800-Million studio renovations? Why? AI. He seen the newest AI video generator (SORA) and knew there was no need for his studio. And...Just a few years ago, this technology seemed decades away.
The Perry article: https://variety.com/2024/film/news/tyler-perry-studio-expansion-openai-sora-concerns-1235920007/
The SORA demonstration: https://youtu.be/HK6y8DAPN_0?si=_Gpwjgt90rUqLkHP

And here's simply a GREAT article on AI, Ray Kurzweil, and how we could actually live forever, and soon: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html

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I forgot to mention Mr. Kurzweil's new book, "The Singularity Is Nearer", is out now. It's a great read. https://www.amazon.com/The-Singularity-Is-Nearer/dp/B08ZJRMWVS/

It's the follow-up to his landmark 1999 book "The Singularity Is Near". In the 1999 book, he predicted we would reach AGI (Artificial General Intelligence), a pre-cursor to the Singularity, by 2029. Almost all of his colleagues scoffed at this prediction. One even made a sizeable wager with him that 2030 would roll around and we would still be without AGI. As of today, the prediction markets at Metaculus.com are calling for us to reach AGI by 2027. (Kurzweil is sticking to his 2029 prediction but feels it's very conservative at this point.)

Something you will be hearing a lot about in the next few year is something called "Longevity Escape Velocity"...a process in which technology will add more than a year to your lifespan for every year you live...this could be reached by the early 2030's, as per Kurzweil's prediction. If this occurs, anybody who lives until 2045 will likely approach near immortality. PS - I know how weird and crazy all this sounds. But, again, this isn't coming from me, this is coming from one of the top scientists in the world -- and the longest living person studying AI in the world...he's been studying it for 61 years. He's unbelievably well-respected...and he thinks most of us will live forever.

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