So his brother transitions and then he realizes that he was also a woman born in a man's body. What are the chances! Gender is not a social construct, transgenderism is.
shareTRANSPHOBE! MISOGYNIST!! BIGOT!!!
Just kidding; thanks for speaking the (obvious) truth even though LIEberals will naturally hate you for it. They're so tolerant.
That's a weak and stupid argument. If there are two gay people in one family, does that mean they are faking it and that being gay is a social construct? If someone becomes an atheist after their brother does, does that mean they aren't truly an atheist and just copying their sibling? If someone changes their political views after a family members does, does that make their views insincere and invalid?
shareIf there are two gay people in one family, does that mean they are faking it and that being gay is a social construct?
WEIRD BROTHERS THEN.
sharebahahahaha
shareBasing behavior on gender or biological sex is the construct.
If we'd all forget about what we expect a man or woman or intersexed person to behave, and just went around being ourselves, we'd all be happier and healthier.
Basing behavior on gender or biological sex is the construct.
Yes, some types of behavior have a biological basis, including the effects of testosterone. But believing that women like pink and men like neutral colors, that men like working on cars and women like shopping, that men ought to love sports and women ought to pile on the makeup... and there's something wrong with men who like makeup or women who like working on cars... that's ALL societal constructs.
People should be free to be themselves, and not think they have to alter their bodies and behavior if they don't fit the usual mold.
that men like working on cars and women like shopping, that men ought to love sports and women ought to pile on the makeup... and there's something wrong with men who like makeup or women who like working on cars... that's ALL societal constructs.
Regarding sports, yes, men in general are more keen on sports than women, and that may be somewhat biologically based. But it's more complex than that, as some women love sports enough to devote their lives to winning Olympic medals or tormenting their kids' soccer coaches, while some men are openly disinterested in sports or are just involved because they feel it's expected of them. That's the sort of thing I mean.
Human beings are highly variable in their tastes and behavior, and to say "All men/women do this" or "All men/women should do that" is to try and force everyone into a mold that just doesn't fit a lot of people. The people who don't fit those molds are normal and healthy, they shouldn't be made to feel that there's something wrong with them or that they need to change either their behavior or themselves.
I like your idea of being yourself and your pink color example is spot on. As for the other examples, there's an obvious biological factor to take into account. Sure, there's nothing wrong with men who like makeup or women who like working on cars... there are always exceptions, but it's obvious why majority of men are more inclined to sports and why women like shopping more. It goes back to prehistoric times of hunter-gatherer societies and the question of who did the gathering and who did most of the hunting.
shareThere are women who hunt, and men who'd face a firing squad before they'd shoot an innocent animal.
There are also humans like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvhlWbnl_qM
And cats like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAzK3eb4LKs
I like your idea of being yourself and your pink color example is spot on. As for the other examples, there's an obvious biological factor to take into account. Sure, there's nothing wrong with men who like makeup or women who like working on cars... there are always EXCEPTIONS, but it's obvious why MAJORITY of men are more inclined to sports and why women like shopping more. It goes back to prehistoric times of hunter-gatherer societies and the question of who did the gathering and who did most of the hunting.
Interesting point about hunting vs. gathering! BUT... if you think that men don't like shopping, go to a Bass Pro Shop and look at all the guys devoting an evening to cooing over fishing tackle.
The thing is, humans have certain biological tendencies built into their brains and hormonal systems, but how each society adapts to those urges is a... social construct. And if you look hard at any particular social construct it looks pretty silly, like how men think it's acceptable to go to look at fishing tackle with the guys but would die before they asked another men to shop for clothes. But mainstream straight men firmly believe that shopping for clothes with a friend is a feminine activity, and that any man who would suggest such a thing must be unmanly and/or gay. Which is illogical, because men actually do shop for their own clothes and there's no reason they couldn't do it together, except that the social construct of the day tells them it's not done.
And now you've actually got kids out there thinking that even though they have a frank-and-beans they must really be a girl and need a lifetime of dangerous hormones and surgeries, because they would rather spend their afternoons shopping for clothes with friends than at football practice. Yes, that's a gross oversimplification, but not without truth, and these are the kids that I desperately want to hug and say "You're fine the way you are", when the doctors and counselors are prescribing puberty blockers and surgery.
except that the social construct of the day tells them it's not done.
Your last paragraph encapsulates well what I think went wrong with society's attitude towards gender.
I feel like since about the 60s we were on the right track with gender becoming slowly less and less important. Men sporting long hair and women with pants doing what was until then men's jobs. Many male artists performing in a dress and make-up without anyone caring and categorizing their place on a gender spectrum, except ironically the backwards types. You know what I mean? In the 80s, it was your ww2 vet dad who would call you a girl for your fashion choices or not caring about football.
But now it's as if we're going the opposite direction with giving so much importance to gender that we classify atypical males as females and vice versa. And maybe it makes sense in some forms of scientific observation, but when ordinary people start taking these abstractions too seriously, yes, then you have a surgery over the issue of which drawer in the gender spectrum you belong in when in reality you're just a boy who likes shopping for clothes.
I totally agree with what you're saying, personally and generally.
I mean, I'm a mix of masculine and feminine qualities and always have been, and I've always liked doing some traditionally masculine things and some feminine, so I've gone ahead and done what I liked without caring whether people thought I was behaving properly, or stopping to think about gender identity. I can't claim to have done many things right in my life, but I think that's one where I hit the nail on the head.
I mean gender identity is a non-issue for most people, and would be for a massive majority, IF people weren't made to feel wrong and inferior for being non-gender conforming. If young people grew up thinking that it's just fine to be a girly boy or a butchy girl or anywhere in between, very few people would need to consider medical transitions. Which BTW is so hard on the body and frequently falls so short of expectations that it should be the absolute last resort for a person with gender dysphoria. Why do that to a perfectly healthy body, if there's a way around it.
Do you not know the difference between gender and sex?
shareGender and sex are intrinsically intertwined.
shareGender is fluid. More so than sex.
shareI mean, that’s technically a correct answer but it doesn’t back up your point at all.
shareYou don't have a point, that's why you've opted to ask a question instead of making one. I remember you now, I absolutely spanked you in a debate in the past - https://moviechat.org/tt0120586/American-History-X/58c7747c93cef4080d7b0a5e/I-agree-with-Dereks-dad-on-most-point?reply=5ee7fea839070577039aa86f
I guess you're back for more.
If by getting spanked you mean I totally raped you, sure. Looks like I’m going to have to educate your ass again.
shareOr gender is fluid and he flowed?
Personally I think it's kind of sick that two brothers, who were called 'The Wachowski Brothers', ended up as 'The Wachowski Sisters'.
That's just wrong.
Or gender is fluid and he flowed?
He's a man in a dress. Why should I play along? Why should I be called a bigot for not accepting his mental illness?
shareYou shouldn't. But you have to remember these are the ways of liberal idiots... So when you see one of these idiots ask them why the same logic of a person wanting to be a gender of their choice is any different than a person wanting to be of the race of their own choice. By their own logic a white person can decide that they are black and the world must accept them as black... I mean if one can pick and choose whether they are male or female it must also follow that they can pick and choose their race... Of course, not once have I ever seen a liberal loon accept a white person wearing blackface as someone that simply decided they wanted to be black and that they should be treated as a black person. And that's the problem with the liberal idiots, they can't even live by their own rules that they want others to follow, yet are too stupid to see the problem.
sharejesus christ dude, are you scared that you might be trans gendered?
shareSo his brother transitions and then he realizes that he was also a woman born in a man's body. What are the chances!