Please vote for Trump
He's clearly better than the alternative, Kamala Harris.
shareIf Trump wins, he can have a golf game with Clinton/Bush/Obama/Biden and go out for drinks and food afterwards.
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How is he better? He's on trial for attempting to coup the government after losing 60+ court cases in a row and pushing for the termination of the constitution.
shareOn trial for bogus charges.
It was them that staged a coup against Trump … twice.
It was 93 cases and Trump won 24 of them.
The Constitution of the old Republic is no longer valid as of July-4th-2020 when Trump signed the 2nd declaration of independence.
"The Constitution of the old Republic is no longer valid as of July-4th-2020 when Trump signed the 2nd declaration of independence."
alrighty then...
"It was 93 cases and Trump won 24 of them."
WINNING!!!!!!!!
dems tried a coup in 2017 with the fake Mueller report.
shareWhat was fake about it?
sharethe Durham report said it was fake
shareNo it didn't. You're just angry that it showed he obstructed justice.
shareso, how is that hijacking an election? do you think Nancy will release her "cold hard facts" that Trump colluded?
shareDoesn't matter. Are you okay with obstructing justice?
shareif falsely accused and if its a witch hunt.
shareNo. The Mueller investigation happened because he fired the FBI director for investigating him. Then he was going to have obstructed justice in the same way Nixon did during Watergate.
Do you not see a problem with this?
the mueller report happened because of the steele dossier and because Nancy and Hillary were butt hurt that Trump won, so they made up lies that Trump colluded with Russia to hijack the election. it all turned out to be fake. the durham report said all the evidence presented in the mueller report was fake.
wouldnt there also be a problem with this?
its not obstructing justice when there is a coup to falsely remove a person from the Presidency.
again the whole was a sham. and Nancy was still butt hurt that Trump won that she tried to impeach him twice.
then dont forget that Nancy said that Trump was going to steal the election again and Joe said he was going to lose by chicanery and Hillary said not to concede under any circumstances.
its funny that dems still wont accept that Trump won fair and square. lol
You're getting the timeline mixed up. The part about the Steele Dossier along with other evidence caused the FBI investigation. When Trump found out that the FBI was investigating him, he fired the FBI director (James Comey), which caused for a special prosecutor to be appointed (Robert Mueller).
An investigation isn't a coup and it's even more silly once you remember that Mike Pence would have been in charge of the removed Trump. Not a Democrat.
Your brain is fried. I suggest sticking to PBS and NPR and not just looking at headlines.
what evidence? Nancy said she had cold hard facts that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election. when are these "facts" going to be released? and how did Russia and Trump hijack the election? Obama said that US elections cannot be hacked.
did Russia hack the voting machines? please elaborate on this hijacking of the 2016 election.
the coup was to falsely accuse Trump of stealing the election. Mueller investigated and said that Trump won fair and square.
here is Trump complaining about stolen elections.
https://youtu.be/OjnX4IUt_eo?t=282
also dont forget that the Durham report said all the evidence used in the Mueller report was fake.
I don’t think you know what a ‘coup’ is if you’d suggest that a lawful probe into suspected crime is a coup.
sharewhat suspected crime? Obama said that elections cant be hacked, are you suggesting otherwise?
Joe said he was going to lose by chicanery, why wasnt there a lawful probe into that?
He's pushing for termination of the constitution? Wow amazing that he can just eliminate it at a whim without the courts or congress or even didn't eliminate it before when there was a national emergency aka covid pandemic which is how most dictators take power by using the use excuse of "national emergency" to seize all power.
share"He can't ACTUALLY terminate the constitution, so that means it's okay to say he will."
You're not serious.
How can he do it? Do we not have checks/balances? Incredible a president can do that.
Here's the quote I believe this stems from (https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-harris-says-trump-wants-terminate-constitution-1970121):
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution," Trump wrote on Truth Social on December 3, 2022. "Our great 'Founder' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"
Seems a bit of a contrast from elimination of the entire constitution, is that correct?
I don't want to figure out. That's the whole point. It's still incredibly disqualifying to even suggest. Especially now that we know that the fake elector plot was being crafted around the time he suggested it.
The fact the you didn't even see the tweet until now is part of the problem too. Nevermind pretending like it's just normal for a losing candidate to say something like that.
Just think. If dumb MAGAs picked a younger, smarter and educated candidate for president then they probably would have won in November. Now MAGA's are stuck with a dementia patient who is way too old to be president and convicted of 34 felonies. Good luck with that.
shareThe sad part is that Trump won't lose because he's a petty, wannabe dictator. It will be because most Americans are just bored of Trump's nonstop drama and just want to watch football while having a normal thanksgiving.
shareLOL!
shareThe even sadder part is that if Trump does lose because people claim they want to "watch football while having a normal thanksgiving", this means the downward slide of America will continue until there are no more Thanksgivings at all. It's been discussed countless times over how the left doesn't know how to create but only knows how to destroy. The left is destroying America, but if you ignore this and focus only on how many likes you get on social media, you might not care.
share"The Left" has been "destroying America" since Fort Sumter, but America is still here.
Pour yourself a skinny-girl margarita and relax. Don't get toxic shock from leaving your tampon in too long.
You must not have a good sense of history if you think nations last forever. Either that or you're wearing blinders.
shareYou're in a cult. You are getting caught in a trap of solely listening to Trump and people who only listen to Trump.
shareThat's completely nonsense, of course. Did you know that I have criticized Trump and his followers at times? Of course not, because you decided to make a claim without having the knowledge or information needed to make such a claim.
share"Criticizing Trump" doesn't mean anything. Are you pro-fake elector coup or anti-fake elector coup?
Stop treating it like both sides are bad when one guy has at least damning courts court cases, a history of fraud, fires all of his cabinet and tried to end democracy.
But I didn't say "both sides are bad". There's one side that's very bad - the Democrats - and that's what I am saying. Kamala Harris would be horrible in office.
shareYou didn't answer the question. Stop larping a moderate.:
Are you pro-fake elector coup or anti-fake elector coup?
What question did you ask that I didn't answer? I didn't know you asked a question, must less that I was somehow obligated to answer your questions.
The bottom line is that I think Kamala Harris is a horrible candidate and would be a horrible president. I realize you may have a different perspective. Not much more to say.
Are you pro-fake elector coup or anti-fake elector coup?
shareThat's your question? I suppose I would have to say I'm in the "anti-fake elector coup" crowd.
Any other questions?
So you're "anti-fake elector" coup but then supporting the same guy who was pushing it.
Do you acknowledge that Trump, with the hell of his lawyers tried to end the peaceful transfer of power with the help of co-conspirator lawyers?
I don't recall Trump pushing a "fake elector coup".
And no, I don't think Trump/his lawyers "tried to end the peaceful transfer of power". I think he did what the law allows him to do, which is to challenge the results in court if they suspect something is afoul.
I don't you don't. You never looked it up. You didn't even bother to find out what the cases are about.
shareNone of this disputes the FACT that Trump did a better job than BidenHarris and people don't want any more of them.
Two candidates: One (Trump) was a LOT better than the other. The choice is clear if you unplug from the lying, leftits media.
Signs that you are in a cult. There is still time for you to be deprogrammed before it's too late.
1. Absolute authoritarianism without accountability
2. Zero tolerance for criticism or questions
3. Lack of meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget
4. Unreasonable fears about the outside world that often involve evil conspiracies and persecutions
5. A belief that former followers are always wrong for leaving and there is never a legitimate reason for anyone else to leave
6. Abuse of members
7. Records, books, articles, or programs documenting the abuses of the leader or group
8. Followers feeling they are never able to be “good enough”
9. A belief that the leader is right at all times
10. A belief that the leader is the exclusive means of knowing “truth” or giving validation
Dems love dementia though so I guess the MAGA folk gain that vote.
shareThat is very far from clear to me.
shareThen I'm afraid you need to learn more.
shareYou act like people to the left of you is unheard of, or in someway unjustified. I’m 53 years old. I’m media literate. I need to learn more? What more is going to change my opinion? What am I going to need to learn, to suddenly shift my support toward an ideology that is biased toward the well to do elite, and against the common man? And why do you support that? You’re never gonna be a well to do elite, you’re not invited.
shareI think the fact that you just said that the right is "against the common man" suggests that at least some of your knowledge is outdated. That may have been true in the 80s or 90s, but there has been a paradigm shift over the past 10-20 years. Today, the left is funded by many super wealthy elites. Trump is supported by massive numbers of blue collar workers.
shareNow that's a solid motive
shareNo
shareI ask you to reconsider.
shareWhy?
shareBecause Harris would be a disaster for America. We've already seen what happened when Biden/Harris came into office - massive illegal immigration on top of inflation that causes prices to rise.
Why would you want more bad stuff to happen?
Massive inflation was caused by Trump. The recovery under Biden/Harris has been the fastest recovery in US history.
"massive illegal immigration" is actually not happening. Look at the actual statistics, and don't believe Trump just because he says it. He thinks he can solve California's drought problem. He claims they'll have so much water they'll be begging him to take it back. He'd tell you to stop breathing oxygen if he thought he could get massive crowds to cheer for him (or make a lot of money)
Uh, you might want to check your facts.
Look at spending under Biden/Harris.
As for your claim that massive illegal immigration "is actually not happening"....what in the world are you talking about?
Massive illegal immigration is not higher under Biden than Trump. (Sorry, I did type that wrong.)
Prices and inflation are two different things. Inflation was higher at the beginning of Biden's term, but that was a direct result of the global pandemic. Biden very quickly got things under control, and inflation is lower than it has been in years. Prices might be higher than we would like, but they are not rising.
What about spending?
Amazing you'd make that claim about illegal immigration. Take a look here to correct your thinking:
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/
As for inflation, you're correct that spending and inflation are not the same....but they're still both higher under Biden! When Trump left office in January 2021, the median consumer price index was at 1.17. As of September 2024, it was 4.14. If you think those are aberrations, we'll sample other dates from 12 months earlier. In January 2020 (pre-pandemic), it was at 3.73 under Trump, and in September 2023, it was 5.21 under Biden.
As for the federal deficit, if we exclude COVID spending, the deficit under Biden is much higher. In fact, 2023 was about twice what it was in 2017.
The page you linked is discussing border encounters. Those are people who came to the border and were processed in some way. Some may have crossed legally, some may have been given sanctuary, some may have intended to cross without legal grounds and were turned away ...
This is not an example of "massive illegal immigration." That would imply people staying in the country illegally, as opposed to people coming to the border and a determination about their status being made.
When you speak of the consumer price index, what are you measuring? Food, housing, etc.
Also, what period of time are you measuring? A month, a year?
You're giving a vastly incomplete picture of the Federal Deficit. Conveniently "excluding Covid" means you don't include the fact that the Deficit spiked during Covid and that it was under Biden that that spike came down. It is not down quite as far as it was in 2017, but it's still incredible progress.
That's assuming that you only look at deficit spending as a negative and do not consider what the economy might look like without it. Thank goodness Biden took over in 2021. His policies are the only reason the US didn't nosedive into a recession. Unfortunately, sometimes the only way to fix a catastrophic situation is to go into dept.
The reality is, Trump's mishandling of Covid could have been catastrophic for our nation and quite nearly was. He chose to ignore it for 6 to 9 months. Had he chosen to tackled it head on, there's a very good chance it would have played out like so many other epidemics (eboli, zeka, h1n1, sars, etc.). There are often epidemics in the world, but when the US meets with world leaders and follows the advice of the experts, they are contained and very few people get sick. Trump chose to ignore the experts, pretend nothing was wrong and cause the nation to have to take extreme measures.
Wow, I can't imagine why I wouldn't want this moron to be the President again!
The site I showed revealed a massive jump in apprehensions that began almost immediately after Biden took office, which suggests there as a huge jump in the amount of illegal immigration. And no, this wasn't due to COVID ending, because the numbers under Trump from Fall 2019 were still far below the average numbers during Biden's term.
When you speak of the consumer price index, what are you measuring? Food, housing, etc. Also, what period of time are you measuring? A month, a year?
It's the median consumer price index as calculated by the Federal Reserve of Cleveland. It is meant to avoid problems of extreme values by starting with the CPI and using the median change of prices. It's likely based on monthly change.
That's assuming that you only look at deficit spending as a negative and do not consider what the economy might look like without it. Thank goodness Biden took over in 2021. His policies are the only reason the US didn't nosedive into a recession.
You're playing a game of alt-history. In fact, people have been suffering due to inflation that we have seen under Biden. You're attempting to say "Joe Biden did GREAT because the alternative would have been worse!" You have no way of being able to prove that, though, so it's kind of ridiculous to say.
The reality is, Trump's mishandling of Covid could have been catastrophic for our nation and quite nearly was. He chose to ignore it for 6 to 9 months. Had he chosen to tackled it head on, there's a very good chance it would have played out like so many other epidemics (eboli,
You have quite the biased and selective memory of events. I'm thankful that Trump was in office. Did you realize that more people died of COVID under Biden than under Trump, even though Trump had to deal with it as a brand new catastrophe? Anyway, you're clearly biased here. share
Look at that site again, because it shows a huge spike in 2020. Biden didn't take office until 2021. While the Covid virus was in the US as early as Summer 2019, the economic impact did not begin until March 2020. Fall 2019 numbers are not indicative of the economic consequences of Trump's decisions.
I was asking about the CPI numbers you gave because I can't respond without knowing what they are measuring. CPI is a formula that can be used for any industry and for any period of time. You need to know what it is measuring before you can know what it indicates.
I disagree that I am playing "a game of alt-history," because economists study trends and patterns and forecast the effects of various policies. Many people were financially devastated by the Covid effects (businesses closing, many schools having remote learning, job loss, etc.). What you see in 2021 was the recovery period, and recovery periods are not always pretty. But they are necessary, because the alternative is a depression (which Trump insisted was what was going to happen.) The effects of economic policy changes usually take a year or more to fully have the desired outcome. It's easy to blame Biden because prices were high in 2021, but it's also a blame based on ignorance.
In 2008, the economy was in a free fall. Everything looked to be crashing. The beginning of Obama's Presidency was focused largely on economic recovery. The advise from economists included bailing out the auto industry and the banking industry. Not everyone was in favor, and Obama still receives criticism for those decisions. Nevertheless, the economy recovered quickly and even became robust. Trump inherited a thriving economy.
It's easy to blame the person in charge for conditions in that moment, but the educated person knows that they are actually the result of the President from about 2 years prior.
I don't know what "huge spike in 2020" to which you are referring. You'll need to provide a source.
The Median Consumer Price Index is not some hidden metric, but it's available for all to see. The frequency is monthly.
As for the game of "alt-history" that you are playing, well, of course you are playing it because you don't know what would have happened had something else taken place. Or, if you're citing what some economists claim, then they're playing the game of alt-history. This is particularly true when it comes to predictions that have political ramifications.
Lastly, in terms of Obama's time in office, no, the economy did not "recover quickly" as you claimed. And since you're giving Obama for the credit for the economy under Trump, we can just as easily blame Democrats (e.g. lax mortgage lending policies) for causing the conditions of the housing market meltdown that led to the economic "free fall" of 2008.
So you see, this blame game that you are playing can be played both ways...
It's ok that you don't know much about how Economics work. Most people don't.
It's convenient to believe what Trump and other Republicans tell you about the economy, because it's what you want to hear. You want to here that the economy can be good and you can make a ton of money and pay little in taxes.
If you study economics, you learn the reality ... that whatever reality you are living in is usually the result of policies that were put in place a year or two prior.
If you are going to post a link, you should look at it first! Two things that were shown on that page:
1. The deficit spiked in 2020 (under Trump) and began shrinking in 2021 (under Biden).
2. The deficit spiked in 2007 (under Bush) and began shrinking in 2009 (under Obama)
Do you no know how to read a graph?
It's painfully clear you've never taken an economics class, and I suspect you've never taken statistics either. But surly you know how to read a graph???
If you are going to post a link, you should look at it first! Two things that were shown on that page:
Uh, do you realize that the only link I posted in this thread is about immigration, not the deficit. So then why in the world do you keep talking about a link that I posted to data about the deficit?
As for your other ad hominem attacks and claims, you are clearly cherry-picking.
For example, "whatever reality you are living in is usually the result of policies that were put in place a year or two prior."
Yes, that's true...unless it isn't! Quite clearly, economic conditions *can* be caused by policies put in place or two prior *but* they can also be caused by policies put in place 5 years earlier, 10 years earlier, or even before that. So your statement is meaningless as a generality.
Further, the deficit "spiked" in 2009 (under Obama) and again in 2020 (during COVID).
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Ok
shareSorry, that's on me that I thought I was looking at a website you linked. Here's what I was looking at:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD
If you go about halfway down the page, there is a graph that very clearly shows the spikes in the deficit at the times I mentioned.
If you go about halfway down the page, there is a graph that very clearly shows the spikes in the deficit at the times I mentioned.
It actually shows what I had just said - spiking in 2009 and 2020 (you said 2007).
And if you look here:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/W068RCQ027SBEA
You can see how even after COVID spending would have ended by about 2022, expenditures started to increase as a higher rate during the Biden/Harris years. share
You are a really ruthless liar. Trump mishandled Covid? Under which president were those vaccines developed?
shareSo it's ok that he did nothing for 9 months and denied Covid was spreading like wildfire, because swooped in at the last minute and finally said, gave the ok, make the vaccine?
That's pathetic that you don't hold him accountable for 9 months of lies.
OMG! Did he not panic the way you guys needed it? I am shocked. "...swooped in at the last minute..." - Well, talking about lies...
shareRight ... panic ...
Um, know, not what I was talking about at all. And I'm not sure who "you guys" are. I'm just stating facts. Sorry if they are inconvenient for you.
He was literally given a playbook about how to deal with a pandemic. He chose to ignore it. Because he refused to take any steps that would help contain the virus or slow down the spread in anyway, more people got sick, more people were hospitalized, more people died.
Also, he suggested we inject our bodies with bleach.
Not sure why you would think any of that is something to be proud of.
Oh, cool, more lies from your side. I am surprised. Not.
Trump was the very first leader who wanted to ban flights from China. And idiot leftist called that RACIST, hugged the Chinese instead, and blamed Trump for getting the virus then... 🙄
Ah, yes, the ban that wasn't ... what a great excuse for everything. Even if it actually did happen the way you think it did, it wouldn't have done what you think it would have done.
During a WORLD WIDE PANDEMIC, what makes you think that banning flights from one (and only one) country in the world (where every country is affected by the virus) is going to do anything 7 months after the virus has spread?
You wasted way too much time and brain power arguing with a Trump supporter, when, if you look at the original topic post it was only 4 words long, and another 6 or 7 word sentence.
That's all the effort they're willing to put in.
So don't waste your brain cells arguing with these people. They aren't worth it. They have no interest in facts or logic or reason, so all you're going to do by making a reasonable sensible argument is waste your own time and intellect. You're better off to just not engage with these people at all, there's nothing that can be gained from it.
I know, you're right ... sometimes I just can't help myself :-)
shareAnyone who has not seen clips from the 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris needs to see it. The interviewer actually does a good job exposing her flaws.
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