Well, there is so much insane and irrational shit talk out there, it tends to make one "defensive".
I've seen lefties who are wanting to try to present as reasonable, try to make "reasonable" point, while... actually I was going to talk about while other people in teh same conversation are making irrational and retarded comments, BUT, a far better example is when a mentally ill and large man was threatening violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li2RhV5Ou9g
It is asshole of someone to expect serious and rational discussion, when there is a real threat of violence. OR to a lesser extent just some fucking assholes in the thread saying retarded shit.
YOU need to consider the environment that the discussion is taking place in. You want a reasonable, nuanced discussion of Trump or Trump's record? You need to wait till the crazy people are out of the room, and the Trump supporter has a chance to realize that you are not a complete fucking asshole.
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