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Dasymetric Maps versus what Donald looks at

posted 5 years ago by FishGottoSwim (473)
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After the 2016 election when Donny was butthurt that he lost the popular vote & couldn't accept that his Inauguration crowds were so thin that he had to send out his people to lie to Americans (who have eyes of their own) & required them to make statements to history "PERIOD!" & introduced something called "Alternative Facts" - he was given a pacifier - a map showing the USA that was mostly RED representing the Congressional Districts won by the GOP & Donald.

But remember, he lost the popular vote by MILLIONS.

So areas of wilderness & farm & National Parks in Red States appear as Red.

And Republicans pass the map around, clapping each other on the backs. And CNN goes into Ohio to talk to 't-Rump voters!' & wonders what makes THEM tick. (Hint? they're ticked!)

But that's not where people live. That map is not an accurate representation of American votes in 2016.

The BEST map to watch- the most accurate & honest map Donald & GOP-tv Fox should look at is the DASYMETRIC MAP https://media.wired.com/photos/5b59eab77756071a9b78f1ee/master/w_1132,c_limit/Dasymetric-Dot-Density-w.jpg

The Dasymetric Map gives a dot to EVERY VOTE CAST. It represents PEOPLE & VOTES & not empty space.

But go ahead & be deluded, right wing bots & trolls & Republicons & Rethugs & RINOS. If you have an (R) after your name & you hate Dems - look where the jobs are. The vast majority of the TAXES that make this government go come from those dark blue places.

We have voices. You can stick fingers in your ears all you want, scream FAKE NEWS! ALTERNATIVE FACTS! LA LA LA LA LA - we won't be silent. Whether you listen or not is up to you, but calling US traitors because WE, THE MAJORITY are not the current ruling party? Is going to change.

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

But remember, he lost the popular vote by MILLIONS.

Yes, three "millions"...of...wait for it...ILLEGALS!

You see as many times as you can wax butt hurt I can remove the plug and wave it under your nose, first with Obama:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/noncitizen-illegal-vote-number-higher-than-estimat/

A research group in New Jersey has taken a fresh look at postelection polling data and concluded that the number of noncitizens voting illegally in U.S. elections is likely far greater than previous estimates.
As many as 5.7 million noncitizens may have voted in the 2008 election, which put Barack Obama in the White House.

And then with Shrillary:

https://www.independentsentinel.com/3-million-illegal-aliens-voted-in-the-presidential-election/
Completed analysis of database of 180 million voter registrations.

Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million.

Consulting legal team.

— Gregg Phillips (@JumpVote) November 11, 2016

The Department of Justice has sued the states for following immigration law. For example, Arizona was sued for arresting people here illegally who committed violations or crimes, and in Florida, they were sued for attempting to remove dead people or ineligible people from the voter rolls. Those were apparently reasons for the Obama administration to sue states with our tax dollars.

[–] FishGottoSwim (473) 5 years ago

You poor, poor thing, Qbert.

First, it wasn't 3 million. It was more than FIFTY ONE MILLION. 45 Millions Americans were so turned off by the 2016 election that eligible voters just didn't' turn out.

7 MILLION people voted for someone OTHER than Donald t-Rump.

You think that Democrats organized MILLIONS of "illegals." To do what? To risk arrest & deportation to vote for Dems in New Jersey & California?

Why didn't they arrange for them to be bused into Iowa?

You poor, poor thing.

Keep lapping up the sources that are approved by Toilet Plunger Lips & keep regurgitating that.

And I will continue to pity you.

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

You think that Democrats organized MILLIONS of "illegals." To do what? To risk arrest & deportation to vote for Dems in New Jersey & California?

Why didn't they arrange for them to be bused into Iowa?

You poor, poor thing.

You know as well as anyone that there is no functional risk of deportation - we're on catch and release and guess how many ever show up for a scheduled court date?

As to Iowa?

Dems had other mechanisms at play:

https://theantimedia.com/heres-a-rundown-of-election-fraud-in-the-2016-presidential-race-so-far/

Iowa

To grasp how arbitrarily the popular vote can be manipulated to fit the establishment’s intended outcome, the Iowa caucus would be a good place to start. As if insufficiently trained volunteer staff, voter confusion, inadequate voter registration forms, and general disorganization weren’t telling in themselves, in multiple locations the awarding of delegates came down to coin tosses — literally.

While described as “the closest Democratic caucus in Iowa history” by the state’s Democratic Party, according to Salon, apparently the same Party felt the need to give Hillary Clinton an advantageous edge. One of Bernie Sanders’ delegates was sneakily awarded to Clinton amidst the confusion, but the Iowa Democratic Party didn’t bother to inform the precinct secretary it had done so. It then refused, despite the somewhat suspect happenings, to perform an audit.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/02/joachim-hagopian/iowa-voter-fraud-circus/
Reason number 5 that strongly suggests that voter fraud took place this week in Iowa is that the results were determined by six coin tosses in a row favoring Hillary to ultimately decide the winner. After six county precincts ended up in dead ties between Clinton and Sanders, by state protocol those six precincts did a coin toss to determine the winner and in all six counties we’re supposed to actually believe that Hillary’s tails won.

[–] FishGottoSwim (473) 5 years ago

You poor, poor, thing, DuhQ.

Voter fraud is a federal crime.

You're saying that Dems were so persuasive & undocumented immigrants are SO malleable that they were talked into committing a FEDERAL CRIME which WOULD INDEED get them deported - all so that they could vote for Hillary Clinton . . . in New Jersey & California?

Three MILLION TIMES?

That's a stretch even for DUH-Q Gumby dummies.

There was an investigation into voter fraud. Donald hand-picked the investigator. He chose the one guy who would've fit your narrative - Chris Klobach of Kansas. Republican. He's been yelling 'voter fraud!' for years.

But Chris didn't find anything after 2 years of investigations, did he?

DID HE?

So. Either Donald & his hand-picked guy were INCOMPETENT - because the investigation into voter fraud was DISBANDED after they found exactly (____empty space_____) instances of in-person voter fraud - & you're lying.

Or Donald & his hand-picked guy FOUND voter fraud & have taken action for future elections so that voter fraud never ever ever EVER ever happens again and you're lying.

Accusing people of crimes they didn't commit can be considered libel or slander depending on the delivery method. Or it can gain you credibility in your tin-foil hat-hate village.
Bit Qbert does it anonymously. Pushing the conspiracy without facts.

(and you DO know that people don't click on your bullshit hyperlinks, don't you?

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

You're saying that Dems were so persuasive & undocumented immigrants are SO malleable that they were talked into committing a FEDERAL CRIME which WOULD INDEED get them deported - all so that they could vote for Hillary Clinton . . . in New Jersey & California?

Three MILLION TIMES?

Are you crediting them with some degree of higher education into the arcane aspects of US Code?

Do you think that people with a 9th grade education (at best) are sophisticated enough to parse such matters?

Seriously?

http://undocumentedpatients.org/issuebrief/demographics-and-socioeconomic-status/
Undocumented immigrants have lower levels of education than U.S. born residents in the same age range. Among all undocumented immigrants ages 25–64, 47% have not completed high school (compared with 8% of U.S. born adults in the same age range) and of these, more than half (29% of total) have less than a ninth grade education.

Among adults age 25–64, 29% of undocumented immigrants have less than a 9th grade education compared with only 2% among U.S. born adults in this age cohort. A total of 47% of undocumented immigrants age 25–64 have less than a high school education, compared with only 8% among US-born population adults in this age cohort

[–] FishGottoSwim (473) 5 years ago

People with that level of education are Donald's base.

Very, very, very malleable, true.

But you can't make them commit crimes.

UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE THE ONES LEAST LIKELY TO COMMIT CRIMES.

ANY CRIMES.

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-crime-assessing-evidence

All immigrants have a lower criminal incarceration rate and there are lower crime rates in the neighborhoods where they live, according to the near-unanimous findings of the peer-reviewed evidence. Since 1911, large nationwide federal immigration commissions have asked whether immigrants are more crime-prone than native-born Americans and each one of them answered no, even when the rest of their reports unjustifiably blamed immigrants for virtually every problem in the United States.

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE THE ONES LEAST LIKELY TO COMMIT CRIMES.

And voter fraud is the LEAST LIKELY crime to be prosecuted - period.

"The fact is that voter fraud does exist, and it is a significant problem. Election crimes must be prosecuted wherever the evidence supports a conviction. The Heritage Foundation has been compiling a list of voter fraud convictions, not mere allegations, since approximately the 2000 election. The total is up to 1,019 and growing. Of course, convictions are just the tip of the iceberg, representing a tiny fraction of the total instances of voter fraud. Indeed, as President Trump’s Commission on Election Integrity found, before it was shut down by a dozen lawsuits, a 2017 study looking at just 21 states revealed that approximately 8,400 people had double-voted in the 2016 election. "
- Kris Kobach

[–] FishGottoSwim (473) 5 years ago

Poor, Poor DuhQ.

Kris. Kobach.

Kris Kobach?

He's the one Donald appointed to chair a short-lived commission on VOTER FRAUD which disbanded in 2018 WITHOUT FINDING ANY EVIDENCE that it was widespread, neverMIND finding THREE MILLION CASES OF IT.

And he was assigned to PROSECUTE it.

He failed.

KOBACK FAILED!

Or did Trump fail in assigning Kris Koback to THAT job?

"Kris Kobach Has devoted his life to stripping poor & black people from voting." ACLU

"Kris Kobach is the GOP at its worst!" New York Times

"Kris Koback loses his run for Governor of the state of KANSAS." KC Star

KANSAS!

He had been the Secretary of STATE in Kansas. And he was Donald' Boi? And he LOST?

That's WORLD CLASS incompetence, right there.

Also? Poor poor poor POOR Duh-Q.

DOUBLE VOTING is NOT the same thing as in-person voter fraud. Double voting is that thing that rich REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT DOING. They vote in OHIO, then up in Michigan at their vacation home address. Or vote in Wyoming then take the jet to their Florida or Arizona home. I believe JARED KUSHNER has been found to be registered in more than one state.

But we're talking IN PERSON fraud. Q alleges that THREE MILLION people got SO into politics that they decided to risk arrest & deportation & vote even though 45 million registered Americans couldn't be bothered?

The Heritage Foundation has been compiling a list of voter fraud convictions, not mere allegations, since approximately the 2000 election. The total is up to 1,019 and growing. Of course, convictions are just the tip of the iceberg, representing a tiny fraction of the total instances of voter fraud.

Not sure whose lie THIS is. Q? The Heritage Foundations or Kobach's. But the total number of people convicted of voter fraud -even after 2 FULL years of GOP control & court packing? Is a fraction of 1,019.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

There was an investigation into voter fraud. Donald hand-picked the investigator. He chose the one guy who would've fit your narrative - Chris Klobach{sic} of Kansas. Republican. He's been yelling 'voter fraud!' for years.

But Chris didn't find anything after 2 years of investigations, did he?

DID HE?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/16/kobach-democrats-finally-acknowledge-that-voter-fraud-exists/
Pelosi is not the only prominent Democrat to suddenly change her attitude about voter fraud. In a poetic turn of events, Democrat Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland is the new chairman of the House Oversight Committee, which will likely conduct hearings on the matter. Cummings had this to say: “When it comes to a state’s electoral process I think we have to be very careful and try to allow that state to provide due process. But at the same time we cannot just turn our heads to alleged voter fraud.”

Not so long ago, Cummings was highly critical of those who focused on the problem of voter fraud. In March 2017 he met with President Trump. After the meeting, Cummings said, “I told him that I thought voting fraud is all but nonexistent.” Don’t expect Cummings to repeat that statement again.

The fact is that voter fraud does exist, and it is a significant problem. Election crimes must be prosecuted wherever the evidence supports a conviction. The Heritage Foundation has been compiling a list of voter fraud convictions, not mere allegations, since approximately the 2000 election. The total is up to 1,019 and growing. Of course, convictions are just the tip of the iceberg, representing a tiny fraction of the total instances of voter fraud. Indeed, as President Trump’s Commission on Election Integrity found, before it was shut down by a dozen lawsuits, a 2017 study looking at just 21 states revealed that approximately 8,400 people had double-voted in the 2016 election.
- Kris Kobach

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Thank you for this! Let’s see if QAnon learns anything.

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/virginia-voter-fraud-thousands-illegal-aliens-registered-vote/
Even though they are officially “ineligible,” thousands of illegal immigrants are fully registered to vote in the state of Virginia, thanks to their Moter Voter program.

Apparently, Virginia isn’t just for lovers… It’s also for voter fraud!

This bombshell study from the Public Interest Legal Foundation shows that in 9 counties alone, 1,046 non-alien citizens were registered to vote thanks to the program and the National Voter Registration Act of 1983.

https://themarketswork.com/2018/10/31/is-voter-fraud-real-a-look-at-californias-illegal-voter-registration-problem/
It’s surprisingly difficult to find good information on voter roll registration. One of the most widely cited sources is a 2012 PEW study which found the following problems with America’s voter rolls:

Approximately 24 million–one out of every eight–voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate
More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters
Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state

Conservative watchdog Judicial Watch is currently engaging in an Election Integrity Project. It has estimated that 3.5 million more people are on U.S. election rolls than are eligible to vote.

“When you look at those registered to vote, and you compare and contrast those numbers with people actually eligible to vote, you come up with the 3.5 million individuals spread out across the fifty states,” Judicial Watch says in a statement on its website.

According to the group’s numbers, California holds approximately half of the additional voters with an estimated 1.7 million ghost voters.

California Voter Registration

On Jan. 1, 2015, California Assembly Bill 60 (AB-60) became law. AB-60 allows illegal immigrants in the United States to apply for a California driver’s license...

[–] FishGottoSwim (473) 5 years ago

More on KOBACH, Donald t-Rump's boy wonder, sent in to quarterback the game

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a longtime proponent of voter suppression efforts, argued before state lawmakers that his office needed special power to prosecute voter fraud because he "KNEW of 100 such cases in his state." After being granted these powers, he only brought SIX such cases, of which only four have been successful. The secretary has also TESTIFIED about his review of 84 million votes cast in 22 states, which yielded 14 instances of fraud referred for prosecution, which amounts to a 0.00000017 percent fraud rate.

Four out of 84 million votes cast in 22 states.

.00000017 %.

Can you do math, Qbert?

What are the odds that THREE MILLION UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE voted illegally?

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

Four out of 84 million votes cast in 22 states

RARELY PROSECUTED OR PURSUED.

"Of course, convictions are just the tip of the iceberg, representing a tiny fraction of the total instances of voter fraud. "

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/03/why-is-the-bush-administration-pushing-so-hard-to-stop-voter-fraud.html

On Tuesday, the White House revealed that President Bush had met with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales back in October to discuss the lackluster performance of U.S. attorneys on voter-fraud cases. The Department of Justice fired seven prosecutors on Dec. 7.
In government, attitudes toward voter fraud break down along partisan lines. Liberals tend to promote looser restrictions on voting so as to encourage voter participation among traditionally disenfranchised groups. They argue that voter-fraud claims are blown out of proportion to exclude poor people and minorities who are likely to vote Democratic. Conservatives take a tougher line on voter fraud to ensure that ballots cast by illegal immigrants and other ineligible voters are not counted. That’s why Republicans in the Arizona, Texas, Georgia, Indiana, Missouri, Wisconsin, South Dakota, and Ohio state legislatures have all proposed voter ID laws in the last few years.

The Bush administration has made a point of cracking down on voter fraud. In 2002, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft created the Ballot Access and Voting Integrity Initiative, which aimed to deter, investigate, and prosecute cases of voter fraud more vigorously. The initiative called for U.S. attorneys to attend annual voting-integrity seminars at which they received training on how to handle these violations.

Grumblings about voter fraud arose during the 2004 elections in states such as New Mexico and Washington. The U.S. attorneys who pursued those leads and chose not to prosecute the cases were dismissed last year.

[–] FishGottoSwim (473) 5 years ago

So. Again, Q. Poor, poor Math deficient Q.

You're admitting that the Republicans who are sent out into the world to find in person voter fraud are INCOMPETENT at finding these pesky criminal masterminds, the undocumented illegal voter.

These undocumented immigrant masterminds are people Poor Poor Q (Hereafter referred to as PPQ) has stated (today, I believe) only barely have a "9th grade education."

Alllllllllllllllllllllllll these Republicans in alllllllllllllllll these states starting allllllllllllllllllllllllllll these investigations & initiatives & court cases & HOW MANY cases were found?

PPQ, do you need me to send you a math tutor? Operators are standing by.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

He just doesn’t get it. He’s hopeless,which is why he’s part of QAnon.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Lol!!!

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

https://www.newsmax.com/TomFitton/aliens-fraud-illegal-voter/2017/01/30/id/771123/
"There’s 43 million people who are not citizens and are ineligible to vote, but a good percentage of them do register to vote. And of those that do, some vote," Fitton explained.

"Most tend to vote Democrat. It’s a fact," he continued. "There’s been a study out of Old Dominion University that shows it is enough of a vote to sway elections, one way or another. It may have resulted in election, specifically, of Al Franken to the United States Senate, and all the bad things politically or public policy-wise that happened as a result, like Obamacare and things like that."

"Are we supposed to be so naive as to think that tens of millions of people are here, present in the United States, and none of them are illegally voting?" Fitton asked. "In states where you don’t have voter ID, in states where most voter registration, you’re not required to certify citizenship, other than signing and saying you’re a citizen?"

"It happens repeatedly where you have these voter registrations signed by aliens because they shouldn’t be voting, so they’re registered to vote – and the irony is, once they’re registered to vote, voter ID ain’t gonna protect you,” he noted, "because they have the ID necessary to vote, once they’re registered. So you have many non-citizens voting in elections, and they vote in large numbers in a way to sway elections."

"The number of non-citizens in the United States are at record proportions — about as big as it’s been in 105 years, according, I think, to CIS, the Center for Immigration Studies," he observed. "It is looking at U.S. Census data, and there’s just been this massive uptick, just even the last few years."

"And it’s not just illegal aliens. We’re talking about aliens who are here legally, who are also voting illegally...

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/06/17/19-arrests-later-a-texas-town-is-torn-apart-over-voter-fraud/
EDINBURG, Texas—The story that thrust a Rio Grande Valley city into the national spotlight is hardly a new anomaly, say residents such as Richard Monte.

“Down here, voter fraud is not all that unusual,” says Monte, a city planning consultant in a brown suit jacket, sitting with other activists at a table in Coffee Zone on McColl Road. “It’s unusual when they get prosecuted.”
EDINBURG, Texas—The story that thrust a Rio Grande Valley city into the national spotlight is hardly a new anomaly, say residents such as Richard Monte.

“Down here, voter fraud is not all that unusual,” says Monte, a city planning consultant in a brown suit jacket, sitting with other activists at a table in Coffee Zone on McColl Road. “It’s unusual when they get prosecuted.”

[–] FishGottoSwim (473) 5 years ago

Poor Q. Poor Q still thinks that "down here, voter fraud is not unusual, it's unusual when it gets prosecuted" is somehow a statement that would be acceptable in court.

It would not be.

Also, poor Q. Does she realize that she's repeating herself? Did she copy & paste twice when she only meant to once?

No cases were cited. No methods of fraud were mentioned, just empty accusations.

From the BRENNAN CENTER which studied DECADES of alleged voter fraud. https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

The Brennan Report assembled Government Investigations, Court Cases & Studies of voter fraud & concluded that IMPERSONATION FRAUD (that's IN PERSON VOTER FRAUD) rarely happens. One study reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, & found incident rates between 0.0003 percent & 0.0025 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls."

The verdict is in from every corner that voter fraud is sufficiently rare that it simply could not and does not happen at the rate even approaching that which would be required to “rig” an election. Electoral integrity is key to our democracy, and politicians who genuinely care about protecting our elections should focus not on phantom fraud concerns, but on those abuses that actually threaten election security.

As historians & election experts have cataloged, there is a long history in this country of racially suppressive voting measures — including poll taxes put in place under the guise of stopping voter fraud that wasn’t actually occurring in the first place. The surest way toward voting that is truly free, fair, & accessible is to know the facts in the face of such rhetoric.

[–] FishGottoSwim (473) 5 years ago

Poooooor Q.

News Max.

NEWS Max.

SMDH.

One of the farthest right wing FAKE NEWS sites there is. It's one of the reasons why the base base of the GOP hates Obamacare but LOoooooves the ACA! https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsmax/

But even KNOWING that, look at what PPQ is putting as some sort of EVIDENCE? Some dude named Fitton saying there's FORTY THREE MILLION PEOPLE who are ineligible to vote BUT A GOOD PERCENTAGE DO REGISTER & VOTE .

A good percentage?

What would that be? How many dingleberries fall from his ass when he pulls that hair out of it?

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

Ahem, moderator3 has asked that we cease using this thread for politics - if you wish to continue the debate you know where to find me, toodles.

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 5 years ago

https://media.wired.com/photos/5b59eab77756071a9b78f1ee/master/w_1132,c_limit/Dasymetric-Dot-Density-w.jpg

Thats an excellent map. It exposes the deception that republicans use to claim they have the numbers on their side. It also shows how certain red states like Texas are becoming swing states. But the question still becomes whether or not the democrats can counter all the republican gerrymandering that takes place.

[–] Qberto (1139) 5 years ago

It's nothing more than fake re-scripted news from the lamestream media mind control lot.

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/583c8ee3ba6eb620008b6738-1200

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/2016_Nationwide_US_presidential_county_map_shaded_by_vote_share.svg/1280px-2016_Nationwide_US_presidential_county_map_shaded_by_vote_share.svg.png

You won't like these at all because they do not seek to hide the actual results behind specious non-correlatives.