Don't impeach him. Wait till he's out of office to jail him.
He's a crook.
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Why not both?
shareDecisions, decisions! The House is finally going to do its job in 2019!
shareI expect 2019 to be an amazing year.
The wheels of justice in federal investigations of the executive turn slowly in this country. Specifically because the office enjoys immunity from criminal prosecution.
But they do turn. Especially now that we have checks and balances back in congress again, oversight can go back to being conducted as the Founders envisioned.
I have a lot to be thankful for this holiday, but perhaps most of all is that we still have an independent judiciary in this country that has done a fantastic job containing an out of control executive.
Did you know about 80 percent of Scott Pruitt's massively destructive deregulations at EPA have been successfully challenged by the greens in court? The other 20 is currently still tied up in appeals and hasn't been decided yet. We still have a country because we still have a judiciary. As I expected, the rightward slant of SCOTUS has forced the chief to be the swing vote siding with the liberals in a recent decision to throw out trumps ban on asylum seekers. I expect Roberts to evolve into a liberal following the evolutionary path of many conservative Supreme Court justices before him. His hand has been forced and he's also quite aware of the ugly stain Citizens United has been on his stewardship. Now we're pretty much at the mercy of Ginsberg's health. Let's hope for a speedy recovery from cancer surgery so she may hang on for the next two years. 👵
Care to elaborate on Roberts and Citizens United? I looked it up but it’s hard to know where to start.
shareCitizens United will go down as one of the worst decided Supreme Court decisions in history alongside Dred Scott and Bush v Gore. Poorly reasoned, catastrophic consequences. And this is not just me as a left wing partisan saying this. You can find this prevailing opinion across the legal spectrum. This is where the Supreme Court removed limits on campaign contributions because they accepted the right wing argument that money is speech and corporations are people, therefore limits infringed on a corporation's first amendment rights to free speech.
Ever wonder why our country is highly polarized, why there is no incentive for politicians to reach across the aisle and compromise anymore? The system is broken because of Citizens United. The decision effectively legalized bribery, opening the floodgates to the corrupting influence of unlimited money in politics, and completed the transformation of our republic from a democracy to a plutocracy. Today, our elected congress members only spend 3 days of the week, Tuesday to Thursday, working in congress. The rest of their time is spent on the road soliciting campaign donations. Our elected officials exclusively serve their donors first before the people that elected them. It didn't used to be this way. It's because of Citizens United.
That was very informative, thank you. I had a working knowledge of CU from Bernie Sanders. I couldn’t find anything about who Roberts is (I didn’t try too hard :/) and his hand in CU.
Bernie talks about overturning CU. How could that happen?
Likewise, how could the Telecommunications Act of.. I want to say 96, be altered or eliminated? These media monopolies are out of control.
"Bernie talks about overturning CU. How could that happen?"
Checks and balances. CU could be overturned by passing a law through congress. Though in our present polarized atmosphere that's only going to happen with a Dem House, Senate, and president. Same goes with the Telecommunications Act. Though if you're referring to Net Neutrality, that can also be reinstated by a Dem administration through the FCC.
The other way to overturn CU is if we can ever get a majority of liberals on the Supreme Court again and successfully challenge to appeal the law. We've really been screwed on this front for generations to come by conservatives in congress who refused to hold hearings for Obama's pick, Merrick Garland, when conservative justice Antonin Scalia died a year before Trump was elected. Then with Trump's election in spite of winning with 3 million less votes in the popular vote count, he got to replace two justices with conservative ideologues.
Yes, thank you!
shareThanks for this!!
shareNobody waited until Clinton was out of office to impeach him.
8 days to January 3, 2019.
There must be crimes and evidence of crimes. Neither exist today. Only loudmouths.
shareIt does seem there is evidence that he paid busy money...and that Does seem to be a crime...soooo😉
shareLol, there have been loads of "seems to be" accusations against him getting spouted by the left, right up to the point of providing proof or evidence. That's why he hasn't been charged with ANYTHING despite the rediculous effort to undermine the democratic process by sore losers. Your comment is just one more to put on the huge pile of nonsense.
shareYou're being ridiculous. He hasn't been charged because the office enjoys immunity from prosecution. If he had been charged we wouldn't know about it because the courts would seal the indictment until he left office.
shareThere IS evidence of crimes. Just because you Trump fans say there isn't doesn't make it so. There's PROOF of crimes being committed and you know it.
But you are correct--Trump and his cult are quite the loudmouths, indeed...
I don't understand why we can't have both.
shareGood idea.
shareI replied once but I have to reply again because this thread just keeps circulating: why can't it be both? You DO know that, if he's successfully impeached, he could be removed from office and then tried, correct?
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