You sick bastard. You did this. You need to be indicted for murder.
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You think that's sick? Take a look at the story on Yahoo and check the Yahoo comments section for it. It actually made me feel sick to my stomach: A Trumper made a post there that essentially said: "It's not our problem, who cares" and the person received over 2,600 thumbs up and counting and only 400 thumbs down. The people replying in there sounded equally cold-hearted about it and even said: "The parents should be prosecuted--not our border agents" and even tried to blame the dehydration on the parents. Some of them even flat out stated: "It's not our job to take care of their children. Our own comes first."
Complete and utter lack of any human compassion whatsoever. I mean--it's one thing for people to stick to their political views...but, to leave your own conscience at the door? Seriously--take a look over there on Yahoo. The comments are pretty sick.
If this is the measure of how Trumpers generally think then I have to tell you...I'd rather trade most of these Trumpers for immigrants. Nasty, black-hearted people like their cult leader.
It's the conservative brain. The more conservative, the less empathy. I was reading about a study that revealed conservatives are just as capable of empathy as "bleeding heart" liberals, it's just conservative empathy is selectively directed toward their own family and friends. The conservative brain just isn't predisposed to feel empathy for anyone outside of their immediate tribe.
shareYeah, it turns out this guy is not exactly an exception: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/us/james-fields-trial-charlottesville-verdict.html
shareActually, the more conservative, the more in touch with reality.
Reality: This child's father (assuming he is the father) chose to take her on this "journey" and failed to provide for her (even though it seems he had all he needed). He knew in advance they were told they would not be allowed in. He also chose not to accept the offer to stay and work in Mexico, where he could have gotten medical help sooner.
It was the feel-good study of the year! Until it turned out it was written by liberals (empathetic) rather than scientists (rational).
America has become soft. We have more empathy than ever and your complaint is we don't have even more? How did our forefathers ever survive such a brutal existence?
She died from starving to death along the journey to a place, USA, where they were told before they left that they were not getting in. So who ever was responsible for the child, killed her.
How can you be so FFFn stupid. Trump didn't kill her and is in no way responsible. You are just as responsible for this poor little girl's death as Trump. Stop being an insane leftist freak crybaby and grow the Fk up.
Go see a psychiatrist.
WOW! Someone is in denial.
shareI need to know more before I jump to conclusions, because I've heard three different stories so far. Sadly, the only constant that remains is that her father -- or the fellow claiming to be her father -- seemed to look after his own needs, but didn't look after those of that little girl. He had her in his custody for a long, arduous journey. If she'd been my little girl, and I was seeking asylum, I'd let the caravan go on if I had to, but I'd make sure my little girl had enough food and water.
After that comes the responsibility of the Border Patrol to look to see if there are any special needs cases in the group. It looks like they failed, TOO. Not "instead of," but TOO.
Time and again we've said this is a dangerous journey to take children on. It's much more dangerous if you're just a little girl and the person you're depending upon to take care of you during that journey isn't looking after you. If she were your little girl, could you listen to her plead for water and not give it to her? I certainly couldn't.
And what of all the other people with her in that caravan? She was supposedly brought on a bus. Could you sit still and watch a poor little girl die of hunger and thirst in front of your eyes, getting weaker and weaker, and not do anything to stop it? I certainly couldn't.
I think there's plenty of blame to go around. I'm no Trumper, but frankly, he's the last person to blame. He kept saying they SHOULDN'T make the journey. Who was telling them they should? Even then, I wouldn't blame the "No Borders" people -- the little girl wasn't directly in their care during that journey. The man claiming to be her father should be the one who gets charged -- him, and any of the other people on that bus who heard the girl begging for water and did nothing to help her for days.
I don't only blame Trump. His supporters also have blood on their hands.
Trump supporters obviously don't realize that when they follow a sociopath who is immoral then they become immoral too. There is no justification for separating children from their parents, placing children in cages and allowing children to die. And then blaming children and their parents in order to clear their own guilty conscious.
BTW, migrants are being forced to have numbers placed on their arms similar to what the Nazis had done to Jewish people in concentration camps.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/migrants-wait-at-us-border-with-numbers-written-on-their-arms/
The irony is that this young girl named Jakelin was indigenous. Her father doesn't speak Spanish nor English and no translator was provided who speaks Quecha.
Once again, native people to this continent are being told they don't belong here and are continuing to be persecuted by the descendants of foreign immigrants.
There's no justification for pushing homosexuality on children either but here we are
shareWhat a non sequitur!
shareHere's a question: If libbies believe in open boarders and taking in all immigrants then why do they so strongly feel people from 400 years ago had no right coming here?
shareDo you mean the same people who came here and raped and murdered the indigenous people and stole all of their land? You really can't tell there's a difference between that and living peacefully with the indigenous people?
shareI would say whoever was watching over the girl, be it her father or some smuggler, is most responsible.
And over 150,000 people die every day worldwide. Life is going to be hard for you if every death you hear about gets you bent out of shape.
Ignoring a sick child is negligence and homicide.
"...if every death you hear about gets you bent out of shape.
Lack of empathy is one of the symptoms of a sociopath.
I agree that most of the responsibility here is on her guardian, but her death helps nobody. There's no benefit to letting her die in border patrol custody. Treating her so she can live is better for all sides, even if you are a fiscal conservative.
shareAll of the responsibility is on her guardian/captor, whichever the case may be. If you get hit by a car and have fatal injuries and die in the ambulance, it isn't the fault of the ambulance drivers.
"If you get hit by a car and have fatal injuries and die in the ambulance, it isn't the fault of the ambulance drivers."
Ahh, but that's an improper analogy. Here's a better one:
On the way to the hospital, the ambulance driver decides to go to a drive-in theater for 30 minutes.
Still entirely the fault of the car accident? If it were any of your friends or family, you'd be cussing that ambulance driver out till the day you die.
The girl was in border patrol custody for eight hours. They knew she was in need of emergency treatment for at least 90 minutes. They only rushed her to the hospital after she stopped breathing. Somehow she died there. Hmmmm.
You don't die from dehydration in 90 minutes. This little girl was without any form of liquid for far longer than that. Yet, her father is just fine. It seems he had enough of what he needed.
share"You don't die from dehydration in 90 minutes."
Sounds like semantics. If you can be saved by water within 90 minutes, then you can make the argument that not having water in that 90 minutes was the killing blow.
Nevertheless, she was in border patrol custody for eight hours.
And how long was she with her "father" who made the decision to put her in danger in the first place?
shareNo offense, but you really should read the conversation before injecting yourself into it.
Me: "I agree that most of the responsibility here is on her guardian."
TearofLys's reply to that statement: "All of the responsibility is on her guardian/captor, whichever the case may be."
It sounds like you want to agree with TearofLys, but can't articulate how I am wrong.
You want to compare the health of the father, and what the adult body can endure at full maturity, to that of a seven year old child? Are you insane?
shareNo, but I do think it is insane to take a child on a journey like that, giving her no food and water.
But I guess that's "ok" with you.
Not Ok with me, and certainly not ok for border patrol to let her die in their custody.
The father made a bad judgement and thought he was bringing her to safety. What’s Border Patrols excuse?
Maybe the amount of people they have to process at once?
Why didn't the father tell them she was without food and water for days? Can he explain why he was not dehydrated? It does not matter adult vs child, the human body can only go for a certain amount of time without water, and apparently, he had some for himself.
The bottom line is he was the one who put her in that situation, and is in no way an innocent victim.
If parents of a child in the US deprived a child of food and water for days, they would be facing charges.
"Why didn't the father tell them she was without food and water for days?"
That hasn't been confirmed, and is being disputed by the family.
"Maybe the amount of people they have to process at once?"
No. When they arrived at the port in NM, she was healthy by all accounts. Eight hours later, the bus to Lordsburgh arrived. Right before the bus left is when she started vomiting. They decided to leave her on the bus to go to Lordsburgh which is 90 minutes away, and arranged an emergency medical tech to treat her upon arrival. By the time they got there, she was no longer breathing and had to be revived. They called to airlift her to El Paso. An hour later the helicopter arrived, and an hour after that she arrived at El Paso.
It appears to me the 90 minute bus ride to Lordsburgh was the biggest contributor. After that, it took nearly 2.5 hours to get her to the hospital, totaling nearly 4 hours since the initial awareness of her being sick.
"The bottom line is he was the one who put her in that situation."
Actually, the bottom line is don't get sick if you're in southern New Mexico. When they called the helicopter, they also called an ambulance. The ambulance got there in 10 minutes, yet they had to airlift her to El Paso, nearly 4 hours away by car.
The father and the family is disputing the story that he didn't let her eat or drink for days. So we can't blame the father at this point.
shareYes, it's a mystery. I wanted to assume she was in poor health when she was brought into custody, but she may have been healthy. Who knows what happened after she was separated from her father? (And I'm only guessing this is what happened.) What a sad story.
share"There's no benefit to letting her die in border patrol custody. "
It's a benefit to a sociopath like Trump and his administration. They use it as a warning to other migrants that the same could happen to their children. The death of a migrant child also makes some of his supporters happy since they have that much hate in them.
19 days until January 3, 2019!
Honestly I feel it's just red vs blue team politics. It's the same mentality that drives the alt-right. Whatever upsets the opposition, that's what right-wingers stand for.
Repubs have the hardest time putting party aside. For example, they know we shouldn't be helping the Saudis kill Yemenis, but they hate Bernie so they'll help Saudis kill Yemenis.
True. Trump knows how to exploit and heighten the division, too. They appear to be controlled more by their emotions than intellect.
sharewe shouldn't be helping the Saudis kill Yemenis,
Progressives were the ONLY ones complaining about Obama's drone strikes, while you were all condemning him as a Muslim apologist and saying he wasn't doing enough to curb Muh ISIS.
More evidence that you don't care about facts. Only fraud.
Progressives were the ONLY ones complaining about Obama's drone strikes,
Wow. Just, wow. You stick yourself in an argumentative corner against someone way more intelligent than you, and so the only idea you have is to take that person's sentence and flip it.
By the way, helping a guy from before because you hate the guy after makes no sense since by the time the guy after is in power, the guy from before is no longer in a position to be helped.
Intelligent people already know this.
I should mention is that progressives complain about a lot of things, but their actions speak differently.
For example: they claim climate change is a huge monster, but they have no problem buying oceanfront property. They claim to be pro-environment but at every environmental/climate change protest they ALWAYS leave a huge mess behind. At the North Dakota pipeline protests, they left (literally) tons of dog and human crap all over.
They claim the rich don't pay their fair share, but when progressives get rich they try to avoid as many taxes as possible. Also, they buy expensive things for themselves while saying capitalism is bad.
Bernie Sanders complains about 23 different deodorant brands while buying 3 lakeside houses.
Progressives say we should accept unlimited immigration, but they white flight when too many immigrants move in their neighborhoods. Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama, almost all liberal leftists, etc. etc. live in 80%+ white neighborhoods.
So forgive me if I don't give a crap what progressives "complain" about.
"I should mention is that progressives complain about a lot of things, but their actions speak differently."
You don't listen to progressives. You listen to Fox News who tells you Ocasio Cortez grew up in a mansion.
Oceanfront property increases climate change? LMAO.
Not only is fecal matter biodegradable, it is symbiotic with nature.
Intelligent people already know this.
After being in politics for 40 plus years, three houses ain't much. Compare it with anyone else who has been in politics that long, see what you get. You won't, because facts don't matter to you. Only fraud.
You don't listen to progressives. You listen to Fox News who tells you Ocasio Cortez grew up in a mansion.
"I thought climate change was going to flood Florida?"
I don't know the exact timetable for it, but it's already begun. I would imagine it would take centuries, and I've never seen claims that it would happen relatively quickly. I used to live in South Florida up until 2012. The images of Biscayne today compared to 80 years ago do reveal the shores closing in.
The idea isn't to change your lifestyle. The idea is to incorporate green energy conveniently so you can maintain your lifestyle without having to make a serious change later down the road. You aren't interested in that because entities like the Koch Brothers tell you not to be.
"I care when he bashes capitalism or says rich people don't pay their fair share while Bernie (according to his tax returns) uses every loophole he can to dodge as many taxes as he can."
You're still attacking him for not doing something that nobody does. Use facts instead. Don't run away from them. Show examples of people in his financial situation going it alone without accountants making the task easier. Show an example of being able to pay more taxes than you are supposed to. You can't. If you overpay, they add it to your next year's return.
All I get from you is more crap sliding down the wall, which is another phrase I saw you borrow from me. Strangely, only one other person in the history of posting here has done that... Thrillhouse. That includes my posts on IMDB going back to 2005.
It's also strange how you and Thrillhouse are the only two who go to WMDs for their whataboutism.
"Show an example of being able to pay more taxes than you are supposed to."
Bernie Sanders pays a lower amount of taxes per his bracket than Trump does lol.
Trump pays a higher amount of taxes per his bracket than Bernie does. Bernie pays a higher amount of taxes per his bracket than you do. You and I pay a higher amount of taxes per our brackets than someone making a measly $10k who pays zero or close to it. That's how it works. Glad we cleared that up.
Though honestly we have no idea what Trump pays versus what he makes. It's all hidden from us. At least with Bernie, we get to see everything including, omg, three houses that.... really aren't that big.
" ... they hate Trump so they'll help Obama kill Yemenis." Wait, what? Because Grump is the current dumb-ass in chief, Democrats are helping Obama kill Yeminis? So Obama is out of office and he's STILL killing Yeminis? Wow, that guy is one determined son of a gun, and Dems are still finding ways to help him. The USA is effed up indeed.
shareBut Trump says Saudi Arabia contributes too much to the US bottom line by buying armaments and keeping oil cheap is more important than taking a stand against killing. Who supports that sort of thinking?
shareTrump also used Whitey Bulgar's death as a warning to other criminals???
shareTrump's illegal immigration policy is directly responsible for the death of migrants, separation of children from their parents, placement of children in tents, prisons and cages.
Why are blindly supporting a politician?
You don't care about this girl's death. You only care because you think it can hurt Trump. She died because of people like you who want open borders - her father starved her. There was no saving her.
People like you are devoid of compassion and human emotion. The only use this girl to you is so you can pretend to be outraged and bash Trump. You'd prefer if 100 girls like her died as long as it can make Trump look bad.
When they arrived at the port in NM, she was healthy by all accounts. Eight hours later, the bus to Lordsburgh arrived. Right before the bus left is when she started vomiting. They decided to leave her on the bus to go to Lordsburgh which is 90 minutes away, and arranged an emergency medical tech to treat her upon arrival. By the time they got there, she was no longer breathing and had to be revived. They called to airlift her to El Paso. An hour later the helicopter arrived, and an hour after that she arrived at El Paso.
shareWhen they arrived at the port in NM, she was healthy by all accounts.
There was no sign of her "starving to death" at all during the whole ordeal. This is you pushing an actual lie. What caused her sickness was dehydration, but signs of that dehydration were not evident until eight hours of being in custody right after the bus arrived.
Everything I wrote in my reply to you was a fact. As usual, you came back with empty rhetoric, and this time you even based it on a lie.
Facts do not matter to you. Only fraud.
There was no sign of her "starving to death" at all during the whole ordeal.
"Using a 7 year old's horrific death to bash Trump is pure evil. It's almost as bad as using sexual assault (Christine Ford) as a political weapon."
Christine Blasey Ford was a victim. Brett Kavanaugh was not. Brett Kavanaugh has more power than Blasey Ford.
"Democrats are pro-criminal and anti-victim."
More evidence that facts do not matter to you. Only fraud.
Another good example of hypocrisy (like Obama drone striking Yemenis) is that Democrats protect Democrats who are accused of sexual assault, like Weinstein, Clinton, Franken, Schneidermann, Weiner, etc. etc.
It's like when they showed pictures of kids in cages from 2014 and blamed it on Trump. They didn't care about the kids - they cared about bashing Trump.
"Democrats protect Democrats who are accused of sexual assault, like Weinstein, Clinton, Franken, Schneidermann, Weiner, etc. etc."
Democrats condemned Weinstein, Franken and Weiner more than republicans did, and Weinstein wasn't even a politician. LOL. Democrats ended all of their careers.
Not once did Fox News condemn Ailes, O'Reilly or Bowling.
I'm not even sure why you're going down this road. The alt-right has constantly laughed at the left for eating their own.
More evidence that facts don't matter to you. Only fraud.
Democrats condemned Weinstein, Franken and Weiner more than republicans did, and Weinstein wasn't even a politician. LOL. Democrats ended all of their careers.
Stop conflating Hollywood actors and execs as politicians. It just shows how stupid you are.
Dems asked Al Franken to resign while republicans scratched their heads.
"And about Weiner, Trump warned people about Weiner in 2012"
Dems kicked him out of Congress in 2011 for his sexting scandal. And you hump Trump's nuts because he warned you in 2012!? LOL
"Republicans didn't trot out fake sexual assault accusations against a Supreme Court Justice nominee."
Republicans had a list of 20 names all equally conservative as Kavanaugh. They picked the only one with an accuser. Yet when it came to investigating the accusations, well, let's just say they spent eight times as long investigating Kathy Griffin's ties to terrorism.
"The left always scream "We need to wait for evidence!" when Democrats are accused."
At worst, the left are split. At best, the left does the right thing. Bill Cosby got crucified by the majority of the left. Some defended him, most didn't.
Nobody on Fox News criticized Ailes. Nobody on Fox News criticized O'Reilly. Nobody on Fox News criticized Bowling. You are just projecting at this point, because facts don't matter to you. Only fraud.
Dems asked Al Franken to resign while republicans scratched their heads.
Stop deflecting. Your comments have nothing to do with a young child dying because of Trump's illegal practice of preventing migrants from seeking asylum. He is breaking both international and Federal laws.
BTW, Paul Ryan who has been against immigration has pushed a bill to give 10,000 work visas to Irish immigrants. What a racist hypocrite!
They get really desperate, don't they.
She appeared perfectly healthy when she arrived at the port. Border patrol saw nothing wrong with her, and her father signed the form that she was healthy. Eight hours later and she starts vomiting.
Since Trumpsters have it stuck in their brains that she was barely clinging to life when she arrived, they are one step away from claiming her father secretly wanted to murder her. They'll go there too, just you wait.
There needs to be an autopsy from an independent medical examiner.
Trumpsters are becoming sociopaths like their leader.
"Actually Trump did what the Democrats asked."
What did Trump do? Lol.
"Christine doesn't have a date nor a place where it happened."
July 1st, 1982. Timmy's house. Ford said it happened at a house of one of Brett's friends, and she named two people being there who were proven to be there, Judge and PJ. She said it happened about a month and a half before she saw Mark Judge in an awkward exchange they had the following August. Now tell me, "onlyfactsmatter," how did she accomplish this feat without access to Kavanaugh's calendar?
Yet Kathy Griffin was investigated for terrorist ties by a factor of eight.
"Why do liberals continue to think Republicans care about Fox News?"
Because Fox News and the GOP are connected by the hip. Regardless, even if there are republicans who do not care about Fox News, Trump is not one of them. He is absolutely addicted to it.
Franken was accused on November 16, 2017. Democrats wouldn't ask him to resign until December 6, 2017.
Why the 21 day delay (note: I know the answer, but I want to see if you know)?
Dems don't protect people accused of sexual assault. Your prez has admitted to sexual assault. Every Dem who has been accused has paid a price, but not plump, not kraven-naugh, not uncle tom clarence. God, you just sling mud at every opportunity w/o even considering how wrong you are.
shareTrump's hateful agenda is what's pure evil. It makes people callous to the reality of these people's situation. And ignoring C Ford's account of what happened to her as a young woman, which becomes a political weapon, is evil as well. Pubs and frump supporters should be highly ashamed and publicly shamed. This Supreme Court is loaded with callous rich white men, and people like you love it.
shareMaybe we should all move into YOUR neighborhood and try to educate all of you dumb-asses.
shareYour hatred betrays you. How dare you accuse someone of wishing 100 7 year-old girls dead to further a political agenda? If you think this makes you or your herr fuhrer look GOOD, god help us.
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