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'This is China ... leave immediately': US Navy plane warned over South China Sea

posted 7 years ago by Rorikon (18388)
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/politics/south-china-sea-flyover-intl/index.html

Yikes... China is building up those man-made islands to the max it seems. They even are placing AA guns/missiles on the islands as well. My worry is that it'll lead to another Hainan Island incident where China shot down a US spy plane then captured the crew and plane itself. They reverse engineered the craft and kept it while releasing the crew also. US should have some force standing nearby in case such an incident occurs again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luTPMHC7zHY

[–] PresidentJoffrey (396) 7 years ago

Or the US should stop flying their spy planes around China and it's sphere of influence.

[–] Rorikon (18388) 7 years ago

International waters, freedom of navigation, protection of allies. New China has no claim to the 9 dash line as that would be the old government which is Taiwan.

[–] PresidentJoffrey (396) 7 years ago

And how would the US react if China/Russia were flying spy planes off the coast of California?

The US can't unilaterally decide they can "protect" other nations while encroaching on a sovereign nation's space.

[–] Thrillhouse (1509) 7 years ago

We can if our leaders are progressive interventionists. We should have elected Ron Paul, but he was too racist to fly over China territory with our military at $500,000 per hour.

[–] Rorikon (18388) 7 years ago

A sovereign nation's space only covers nautical 200 miles from the land it occupies. Russia already flies spy planes or rather bombers off the coast of Alaska.

US didn't encroach on anything as this small strip of space is neutral if you looked at the mini-documentary I provided which explains it all. China just claimed it to be theres.

[–] PresidentJoffrey (396) 7 years ago

Neutral according to who? ( Legitimate question, I'm not watching a video to understand your position. Lay out your point and then we can discuss properly)

Russia has a reason to monitor Alaska, "they can see it from their backyard".

The US is just meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations halfway around the world for their own hegemonic purposes.

[–] crc32 (2584) 7 years ago

china is being monitored due to their desire to annex/invade taiwan.

[–] PresidentJoffrey (396) 7 years ago

China has more right to Taiwan than the US has to Hawaii. Maybe the US needs to be monitored due to that annexation/invasion 🤔

[–] crc32 (2584) 7 years ago

Your clearly one sided when it comes to the rights of allies of the United states. Your motivations are obviously based on your nationalist bigotry directed against the united states due to canada not being a super power which is odd considering how social your countrymen usually are.

[–] Rorikon (18388) 7 years ago

I shouldn't have to lay out anything if you're not willing to learn yourself. If you rather stay ignorant of the situation at hand, be my guest. I'm not going to type out the whole thing when it's clearly explained in spoken voice. In short, China doesn't follow the rules of international law as well as rules on being a WTO member. Also it's not my position, just facts and facts don't have any position.

[–] crc32 (2584) 7 years ago

Russian spy craft come near the US all the time in international waters. I'm now convinced your just not aware of current events at all.

[–] PresidentJoffrey (396) 7 years ago

C&P'd from my previous reply posted before yours. (Please read, I don't like repeating myself)

"Russia has a reason to monitor Alaska, "they can see it from their backyard".
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Now I'm convinced that reading is hard for you so you choose to skim.

[–] crc32 (2584) 7 years ago

First of all I already know you posted that. That still doesn't advance your argument. Every one has reasons for monitoring other people. Second of all I'm convinced your pretty danm stupid if you think your previous post that russia looking in their back yard some how cancels out our reason for monitoring china. Third of all I'm not even obligated to do an exhaustive search for all your windbag foot in mouth posts especially considering how bigoted, nationalist, non sequitur, and worse how numerous your nonsense posts are. I hold pretty much all your conclusions in suspect now.

[–] Satan2016 (26197) 7 years ago

PrezShitForBrains: "And how would the US react if China/Russia were flying spy planes off the coast of California?"

Russia is flying just past 12 miles off the US coast! That's were international waters start.

China's claim is like the US claiming the Arctic Ocean, not just 12 miles. You win the Village Idiot award, as usual.

[–] crc32 (2584) 7 years ago

The hainan incident wasn't a shoot down. It was some jackass chinese pilot that hit the plane with his craft as he had a habit of acting like he was going to run into a plane forcing planes to take corrective actions to avoid a collision. only this time the pilot hit the plane and is presumed dead. The spy plane was forced to land in china due to damage.

[–] Rorikon (18388) 7 years ago

Fine, a ram down. Point was it was still downed and was intentional.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 7 years ago

Was it intentional? It didn't sound like that pilot had any intention of colliding with the plane and crashing.

It sounds like dangerous maneuvers were made to intimidate the US pilot but it could have well been to try and drive them away than to get them to land. My guess is the Chinese pilot was trying to intimidate them to change course and fly away from the coast, because it would have been too much to expect they could have forced the plane to land instead of just flying away. It just worked out that way because the accidental crash damaged the plane which forced their emergency landing.

But once they did land, it was game over. Of course they're going to strip down the plane. US would have done the same to a Chinese spy plane landing on US soil.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 7 years ago

You're talking to a bunch of chest-beaters who, like Trump and every thug republican president before him, thinks we the US somehow have a right to police this world. Trumpers are nothing without their double standards.

[–] Rorikon (18388) 7 years ago

Intentional in the sense that they've stepped up their aggressive flybys to the point where it cause such an incident as this. Not intentional suicide.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 7 years ago

No offense here, I'm just trying to understand your logic.

Like you said the crash wasn't intentional. That would mean the most you could accuse them of is negligence by stepping up aggressive flybys, making it more likely one of them might accidentally collide with the US spy plane.

It would be like if the US sent fighter pilots to intercept Russian or Chinese spy planes that were getting too close to US airspace, which has happened many times in the past with Russian spy planes, and one of them accidentally collides with the target plane. Would the US be to blame for sending fighter pilots to fly too close to the spy plane, creating those unsafe conditions, in attempts to intercept the plane to fly away from our airspace? Using your same logic, I suppose you could, it's just a matter of interpretation of whether their planes were actually in our airspace or just close to it as to who would be at fault then?

[–] Rorikon (18388) 7 years ago

None taken. Sometimes I don't explain myself very well or clearly to get my point across as English isn't my first language so I make corrections here or there when it arises.

[–] Satan2016 (26197) 7 years ago

If China ever shoots down a US plane from these "fake islands", there is a simple solution.

Demand China evacuate them in 48 hours, and then sink their puny islands with megaton nukes. Perfectly legal, China started it.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 7 years ago

Our planes have no business nosing around there, psycho. As the others have said, if China started doing that to us there is NO DOUBT that Cheeto Puff would be raging and threatening to shoot them down.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 7 years ago

There's also this little problem of China also being a nuclear power who could respond by nuking your world into kingdom come genius.

[–] dteam6 (5073) 7 years ago

Our county has the most unstable president that has ever taken office. I do not blame China one IOTA for for telling our SPY planes to leave the area. They have every right to feel we're a threat with that unstable cheeto puff currently in our White House.

America doesn't own the world and it doesn't police the world.

Cheeto Puff wants to kick immigrants out and provide zero aid to countries--yet, like every other republican president he's quick to want to stir up conflict with other countries wherever he sees fit.

That fat sack of lard is an embarrassment to our nation and China is far smarter than us. They know a madman when they see one unlike the pathetic 40% of our population here who stands with said madman.