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Marxists taking over Democrat Party: Bernie Sanders Is Not the Left

posted 7 years ago by Satan2016 (26234)
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Opinion from lefty favorite, The New Republic. If Sanders is too moderate, then the establishment are out of the question.

Only Commies want to nationalize industry. Start with Commie News Network.

Can't wait for the 2020 primaries, best comedy on TV. Thanks for Trump 2020, Dummies!

https://newrepublic.com/article/149378/bernie-sanders-not-left

When CNN’s Jake Tapper asked Bernie Sanders on Sunday if he wants to abolish the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, the senator was uncharacteristically vague. “I think that what we need is to create policies which deal with immigration in a rational way. And a rational way is not locking children up in detention centers or separating them from their mothers,” he said. “What we need is Trump to sit down with members of Congress and work on a rational program which deals with this serious issue.”

On Monday, Congressman Mark Pocan of Wisconsin formally introduced legislation to disband the agency. Insurgent left-wing candidates like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is challenging Congressman Joe Crowley, have already begun to campaign on the issue. Ocasio-Cortez belongs to a cohort of Democratic candidates who have positions in common with Sanders: Medicare for All, free higher education, and a $15 minimum wage. But by seeming to support ICE’s continued existence, Sanders has put a wedge between himself and those seeking to pick up the torch he carried in 2016.

It’s certainly true that Sanders is to the left of most Democrats. But contrary to how he’s often portrayed in the media, he is not a doctrinaire leftist. His principal benefit to the left has been to mainstream certain beliefs—namely, that access to health care, education, and living wages are rights, not luxuries. But Sanders is not a revolutionary. His views aren’t even entirely consistent with democratic socialism, the political tradition he claims. It’s one thing to call for breaking up the big banks, and quite another to call for the nationalization of private industries.

[–] Keelai (36182) 7 years ago

Marxism and Social Democracy are entirely two different things. Marxism is basically communism like your pal's Putin former government the USSR.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders are for Social Democracy which are the governments in Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland.They have a much higher standard of living then Americans and are full democracies whereas America is a failed democracy according to the Democracy Index Survey. There would still be private industry but with better wages and benefits for workers.

[–] Rorikon (18400) 7 years ago

Actually, I would think it's a hybrid democracy though flawed. It's right up there with South Korea and Japan. To live in a full democracy, you have to be willing to accept your taxes will be misused/abused by those that don't work/don't want to work, refugees, etc.

Heck I see so many people with 3-4 kids lining up for handouts and their mostly foreign. I'm just saying if you're a working people you'll just have to accept your taxes will go people lesser of you or that abuse the welfare system that's set in place for those in full democratic systems. If you're fine with that, then everyone is happy I guess.

On a second thought, I guess it boils down to letting the poor abuse it or letting the rich abuse it. Sigh, no real good choices in the end. I know a few friends that don't work at all and just accept welfare checks and can buy nice computers, lots of games, and for rest to just pirate. Not having to spend a dime on movies or games or just go to food bank for free food. Lots live fine in this type of lifestyle. The amount of benefits and subsidies you get it's like living the low end of the middle class life sort of speak.

[–] Keelai (36182) 7 years ago

The rich are getting a huge tax break that the working and middle classes are paying for. Social democracy is not having the rich exploit the rest of us. American politicians receive millions of dollars from corporations and represent them instead of the voters.

IF you want to learn more about the Nordic Model of government to understand what Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders want to achieve.

4 minute video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvREjP9Pi10

[–] Thrillhouse (1509) 7 years ago

The Nordic model of government is not working for Africa or Central America where they have all the same policies.

When Bernie Sanders asks why can't America be more like Sweden, do you think Ocasio Cortez has in mind a 99% white country?

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 7 years ago

BS. The Nordic model has never been adopted in Africa or South America.

[–] Thrillhouse (1509) 7 years ago

I also think this is a patronizing view that the rich are getting a tax break, as if a country with zero taxes would be beneficial to the rich. If taxes are bad for them, why would people in power allow it? Taxes are actually good for them. Where else would they get their money? Look at the biggest recipients of tax dollars. They are the worst of the worst corporations. It is no wonder that America's inequality has increased as taxes have increased. There wasn't even income tax before.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 7 years ago

God your posts make so little sense it's impossible to decipher what you're even talking about.

The tax breaks went to the wealthy and corporations. This is not a "patronizing view' because it's not an opinion that's up for debate. It's an ironclad and indisputable fact. It's patronizing to everyone that voted this administration into power that didn't qualify for a tax break.

A country with zero taxes could not have a government because taxes are what funds government. Your logic makes no sense at all. Inequality is from the wealthy getting tax breaks and the rest of the population getting nothing. That means the rich are getting to keep a greater share of their income than everyone else. That increases inequality. It's quite simple really.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

I'm just saying if you're a working people you'll just have to accept your taxes will go people lesser of you or that abuse the welfare system that's set in place for those in full democratic systems.

Plenty of corporate and industrial welfare out there too, not to mention wages controlled by moneyed interests that are more concerned with ensuring that CEOs and stockholders get bigger returns than the employees who make the companies possible.

[–] Satan2016 (26234) 7 years ago

Learn to read. Her words are "democratic socialism" and "nationalization". Like Cuba, Venezuela, NorK Land.

[–] Keelai (36182) 7 years ago

Cuba is communist. I have no idea what NorK Land is. If you mean North Korea, they are communist, but are now referred to as socialist which is probably the new term for communist. Venezuela has become a autocracy or dictatorship.

Democratic socialism and socialism democracy are being used interchangeably in the U.S. even though there's a slight difference. What she wants is basically what countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland have.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Please don’t confuse him with truth and facts. He only lives in Fox Fantasyland. Truth and facts are a whole new world to him.

[–] Thrillhouse (1509) 7 years ago

You hated Bernie Sanders. You spent the entire election attacking him in favor of Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders called open borders a right wing Koch brothers plan. This divide is what this thread is about and you're helping make the point that the Democrats hate the working class.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

You're replying to the wrong poster.

I voted for Sanders over Hillary in my state's primary. Why would I hate someone whom I voted for ???????

[–] Thrillhouse (1509) 7 years ago

And what the communists wanted was worker's paradise. Is she against workers paradise?

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 7 years ago

She's not a communist. Learn to read.

[–] Gd5150 (11972) 7 years ago

"Communists read Marx and Lenin. Anti-Communists understand them." - Ronald Reagan

[–] motorcycledriveb (303) 7 years ago

Ugh, it is a vague quote. It is sad. It's the same with the gun issue. "We need to get guns out of the hands of dangerous people!!!" Um, how exactly? Politics have become the art of bubble blowing. Spoiled, naive and childish.

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 7 years ago

Wait, so who is calling for the nationalization of industries? No one.

You're setting up a giant straw man.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

No one in his link is calling for nationalization of industries in the U.S. That's in reference to the U.K.:

Sanders isn’t just to the right of the average American socialist; he’s to the right of Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the U.K.’s Labour Party. While nationalization is a key pillar of the party’s platform, it is ground politicians in the United States still fear to tread.

Frankly, I have no idea what the OP's point is with this topic. Not sure he does either.

=)

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 7 years ago

Exactly. It was truly mystifying.

His preamble made it sound like Democrats and CNN were advocating nationalization of industries. The rest of his OP was a literal cut and paste job from 3 separate paragraphs of the article he linked to.

But the thrust of the New Republic piece, including his pasted paragraphs, was that Sanders IS NOT a revolutionary calling for nationalization, that the very notion of nationalization is a bridge too far in American politics for even Sanders to be calling for it. The point of the article was that Sanders positions are no further left than the politics of FDR and Eisenhower and it just demonstrates how far right politics has shifted that his views are considered "far left" in today's political atmosphere.

This is proof positive of Satan2016's struggles with basic reading comprehension.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

Well it seems his CNN jab was saying that CNN should be first to be nationalized. That network seems to have become, to the far right, what Fox News is to everyone with sense.

But I agree that his reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.